KK

[sublime]

online mid limit game. loose/passive table with generous players

reads: UTG1: Loose, UTG2: Tight/solid, MP: unkn, Button:loose/aggro lvl unkno, BB: Unknow

utg1 limps, utg2 limps, mp limps, button limps, i raise in SB with K /images/graemlins/diamond.gifK /images/graemlins/spade.gif, BB calls, so do all others

6 to flop for 12sb's

9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif 3 /images/graemlins/spade.gif J /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

I bet, bb folds, utg1 calls, utg2 raises, mp calls two, button 3bets, hero caps (anybody prefer something else?)

UTG1 FOLDS, all other calls

4 to turn for 14.5 BB

3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

hero checks.....

[Festus22]

You say 4 to the turn and you have 4 opponents who were still in the hand. Who folded?

Anyway, it's the old cap-n-check play? 2-pair just got counterfeited (J-9), bottom pair just sucked out, a set of nines is now boated as well as jacks. But since no one raised PF, let's bag jacks. No straights/flushes possible. All in all, you're in fair shape with that turn card.

I like the checkraise if it's one bet to you no matter who bet. If it comes back 2, tough choice but probably call. If it's 3, bail.

[Holm Fries]

I would play the same on the flop and bet out on the turn/call a raise. Based on your description UTG2 could have AJ and button (depending on how LAG he really is) could have Q10s? I guess the only thing to fear is 99 from UTG2 or Button. What is your plan based on if it is 1/2 bets back to you? Are you checking to c/r?

HF

[sublime]

Festus-

I edited my post, thnks for picking up on the missed fold

[sublime]

what a shock, 1 hour and my post is buried /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[MoreWineII]

You can't possibly be angry after last night. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[jrobb83]

That's a scary flop action on a non-scary flop in a loose passive game.

Since the pot is already so huge, I like the flop cap to get as many people as possible to fold immediately so they can't pick up strange stuff like backdoor draws.

Too many people think that if you put in the last aggressive action on the flop it obligates you to lead the turn. I say huey! If opponents are willing to go more than one or two bets on the flop, they will have a very tough time letting the turn get checked through. My plan here would be to check and see what developed. If they go crazy, gotta lay it down. If I have a chance to protect my hand, I'll do so.

[Trix]

I check the flop, someone will bet it, hopefully one of the late pos ones.

Think I call the flopraise, QT is the only hand he wont bet again on he turn.

Ehhh, why are you checking the turn ?, if this is for check-raising I dont think it´s worth it.

[sublime]

If I have a chance to protect my hand, I'll do so.

Turn action is:

Hero checks, UTG2 checks, MP checks, button bets, hero raises, UTG2 folds (I had him on either JTs or J9s) MP calls two AGAIN, button calls

River 20.5 BB's

After all that pretty suave c/r on the turn, what does your hero do? Checks the river when THIS falls:

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

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[sublime]

I agree with you now trix

I also agree that c/r the flop would have been better

funny, i was on the phone with Tall and I mention the hand to him and "c/r flop" was the first thing out his pie hole

[Nate tha' Great]

Bet the turn. Go Sox.

Seriously, that turn card could be helpful to ya. There's a chance that someone had J9 and you now have a better two pair. A hand like T9 is now drawing to two outs rather than five against you. Bet the turn and call one raise.

[Nate tha' Great]

[ QUOTE ]
if it gets bet in LP I raise and can get a hand like JTs to fold its very good

[/ QUOTE ]

JT is drawing much thinner now. Your holding isn't all that vulnerable, if it is ahead.

[BottlesOf]

PF/Flop/Turn all look awesome to me. River sucks...

[sublime]

Good point Nate, his T outs are gone now /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Damn, I have come so far yet still have so far to go /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[sublime]

are you in the c/r the flop camp also?

[Joe Tall]

PF/Flop/Turn all look awesome to me

Johnny Boom Boom (aka Johnny Damon),

You have a lot to learn my friend as this look like an easy flop to c/r and our hero should have bet this turn as now all the 2-pair hands are counterfieted.

GO SOX!
-JT

[Bob T.]

Did you check, planning on checkraising? Then its interesting, although I probably would have bet out.

For the next 4-7 games, I am cheering for David Ortiz, and your goofball backup first baseman.

[Entity]

Can someone let me know why this is an easy flop to checkraise? It it because J's and 9's fall into the range of hands people are likely limping with, especially in LP, and they may put hero on a missed AK or something?

Rob

[Bob T.]

After all that pretty suave c/r on the turn, what does your hero do? Checks the river when THIS falls:

A /images/graemlins/spade.gif

He ain't my hero then. I value bet here, and decide what to do after I get raised. I think all the jacks, jack-nines, etc are calling and you missed out some potential value here.

[Joe Tall]

Here is a reason:

It it because J's and 9's fall into the range of hands people are likely limping with, especially in LP,

and another:

they may put hero on a missed AK or something
Didn't I already tell you that when someone raises preflop they have AK (that's when there is no A, K on the flop, of course) /images/graemlins/grin.gif

some other important ones are:

Shear number of opponents (many), you c/r may protect your hand but if the guy to your left bets you can call and c/r the turn, etc.

GO SOX!
-JT

[sublime]

For the next 4-7 games, I am cheering for David Ortiz, and your goofball backup first baseman.

Minky? Or do you mean Millar (hes the goofy one, or is Miny also?)

Minky is a defensive STUD /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sublime]

He ain't my hero then. I value bet here, and decide what to do after I get raised. I think all the jacks, jack-nines, etc are calling and you missed out some potential value here.

I know I did, hence the shamefull tone of my post /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[BottlesOf]

Am I really thinking protect my hand at this spot on the flop? And, of course, I'm aware he's counterfeited their asses, that's why I want him to c/r the turn.

[sthief09]

I know you are big on getting reads and you think posts without reads are worthless. Well, most of us play 4-8 tables, making it close to impossible to get such good reads. How many tables do you play and how do you manage to get such good reads on your opponents?

[sublime]

I know you are big on getting reads and you think posts without reads are worthless. Well, most of us play 4-8 tables, making it close to impossible to get such good reads. How many tables do you play and how do you manage to get such good reads on your opponents?

I actually don't consider the reads I have in this particular hand to be good /images/graemlins/blush.gif.

I only play 1-2 tables at a time (usually 2) which is not only by choice, but by necessity(I was a sports bettor before I started playing poker, and it still takes up a decent amount of time, but I can usually get bets in/move money around and play two tables with little problems)

Bison plays 4 tables and gets real good reads, so stop looking at porn while you play /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[jrobb83]

[ QUOTE ]
And, of course, I'm aware he's counterfeited their asses, that's why I want him to c/r the turn.

[/ QUOTE ]

I still like the turn c/r too. I think that the opponents will have a very difficult time not betting the turn.