I usually don't approve of posts like this, but...

[augie00]

WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS UTG+1 THINKING ON THE TURN? Is he legally handicapped? Am I dreaming? Will someone please wake me up from this dream? Can this game actually be THIS good? Someone answer me, please!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

MP3 ($159.90)
CO ($92.05)
Button ($60.60)
SB ($49.65)
BB ($64.90)
UTG ($158.30)
UTG+1 ($91.15)
MP1 ($115.60)
Hero ($93.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="CC3333">UTG raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, MP1 folds, Hero calls $4, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds.

Flop: ($13.50) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets $10</font>, UTG+1 calls $10, Hero folds.

Turn: ($33.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets $15</font>, UTG+1 calls $15.

River: ($63.50) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets $24</font>, UTG+1 calls $24.

Final Pot: $111.50

Results below:
UTG has Qh Ad (full house, threes full of eights).
UTG+1 has 2s 2h (full house, threes full of eights).
Outcome: UTG wins $55.75. UTG+1 wins $55.75. </font>

[ThaSaltCracka]

whats the problem?

[Justin A]

He called the turn with the nut low hand. I think that's what he's getting at.

Justin A

[PITTM]

uhh, he contributed a 2 kicker to the board on the turn and he called a 15 dollar bet, thats generally not good...

rj

[FourKing Hell]

Maybe he called the flop b/c he thought his deuces might well be good, and called the turn planning to bluff the river? Representing 98s or 87s or something?

[Leroy Soesman]

I have to be honoust here. To raie it up with AQ is one thing, but to call that raise with AQ is another.

(bit off topic, but I just had to)

[FourKing Hell]

Agreed.

[phil_ivey_fan]

nice bet on the river...I hate idiots like that. Lets give more money to the rake before we split the pot. I know its only a few nickels, but still "ITS THE RAKE" I hate the RAKE!!!

[ScottTheFish]

[ QUOTE ]
I have to be honoust here. To raie it up with AQ is one thing, but to call that raise with AQ is another.


[/ QUOTE ]

That's a little harsh, considering you don't know anything about UTG or the table. If you NEVER call a UTG raise with AQ you're playing like a robot.

Normally i agree, AQ vs. a UTG raise is an insta-muck. But I've played against MANY people who are too way too aggressive with Ax and it's a no brainer to call their raise with AQ because I'll probably get their whole stack if an Ace flops.

[amoeba]

A lot of sites, Party for one, does not rake split pots.

[Leroy Soesman]

If I knew for sure I the rest of the field was gonna fold, fine. But as it is there is four or five left behind me to act. And I don't want to be sandwitches with TP in a big pot.

[ThaSaltCracka]

[ QUOTE ]
uhh, he contributed a 2 kicker to the board on the turn and he called a 15 dollar bet, thats generally not good...

rj

[/ QUOTE ]Ah, I missed that, hahaha.

Anyone think that if UTG+1 reraised on the flop, he may have taken it down right there?

[augie00]

[ QUOTE ]
I have to be honoust here. To raie it up with AQ is one thing, but to call that raise with AQ is another.

[/ QUOTE ]

I really wasn't looking for feedback on my play, but...

UTG had played every hand since I sat down at the table. I saw no problem calling his raise with AQ for a few reasons:

1. There's a good chance it was the best hand
2. I'm smart enough to let it go if things to awry.

I'm good at folding AQ after the flop if I think I'm in trouble. Furthermore, it's common practice in this game (Stars .50/1 NL) to raise it up UTG with monsters like A4o and QT. Dan Harrington's UTG raise in the WSOP deserves a lot of respect. I can't say the same for the Stars $1 NL game.

Players who think that this is a turbo muck are the same players who WOULD take it to the river, even if they thought they were in trouble.

[Justin A]

[ QUOTE ]
Maybe he called the flop b/c he thought his deuces might well be good

[/ QUOTE ]

Reread the post, he has the nut low hand.

Justin A

[ScottTheFish]

[ QUOTE ]
If I knew for sure I the rest of the field was gonna fold, fine. But as it is there is four or five left behind me to act. And I don't want to be sandwitches with TP in a big pot.

[/ QUOTE ]

I see where you're coming from, I'm not afrraid to re-evaluate the situation depending on the action after me. If you can't envision any scenario where the call would be good, that's cool. Just a difference in style, I guess.

I just didn't think the call was so blatantly wrong you needed to go out of your way to point it out. It's borderline at worst, and a no-brainer at some tables, IMO.

[Zag]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Maybe he called the flop b/c he thought his deuces might well be good

[/ QUOTE ]

Reread the post, he has the nut low hand.

[/ QUOTE ]

Right. You know that, and I know that, but I think we've established that the guy with the deuces is no mensa candidate. He may very well have thought that he was good.