gaming club rakeback?

[greg nice]

anyone offer this?

[Homer]

http://rakereturns.com/gamingClub.php

[greg nice]

is that the only place?

[cornell2005]

whoa those rakereturn.com rates suck

[1800GAMBLER]

[ QUOTE ]
whoa those rakereturn.com rates suck

[/ QUOTE ]

They are horseshit. No wonder Jek (the owner) spent so long making me remove the GET 27% (YES 27% NOT 22%) RAKE BACK from my location. ... laff.

btw ^ he offers rake back on prima.

[cornell2005]

Its true, Jay is what to Empire what I am to Prima

[morgant]

not only the rates, but you can get a gift certificate to JC Penny. i prefer cash

so you have no affiliation with Prima? hahaha
you meant jay is to empire what you are to prima.

[1800GAMBLER]

[ QUOTE ]
Its true, Jay is what to Empire what I am to Prima

[/ QUOTE ]

Love you, sweetie.

[bunky9590]

talk to BK. He takes care of me well

[1800GAMBLER]

[ QUOTE ]
talk to BK. He takes care of me well

[/ QUOTE ]

He said he loved me ;(

[obithrawn]

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
talk to BK. He takes care of me well

[/ QUOTE ]

He said he loved me ;(

[/ QUOTE ]

He lies to us all to get us into bed /images/graemlins/frown.gif

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
They are horseshit.

[/ QUOTE ]

Care to describe why they're horseshit? We give up to 90% of what we make.

[ QUOTE ]
No wonder Jek (the owner) spent so long making me remove the GET 27% (YES 27% NOT 22%) RAKE BACK from my location. ... laff.

[/ QUOTE ]

I did it because you were going to get yet another part of this forum ruined. I don't even offer an Empire rake rebate so that 27% is immaterial. I leave it to people like you to handle the illegal ones. I like to stay legit.

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
not only the rates, but you can get a gift certificate to JC Penny. i prefer cash


[/ QUOTE ]

Party is the only site we do gift certificates for. As I've said before, those of you who give back cash are breaking Party's rules. I like to operate above the board.

We offer cashback at UB and TGC, giving up to 90% of what we get back.

[bunky9590]

he still does, with me its just a summer thing. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Hope all is well Jay.

[1800GAMBLER]

[ QUOTE ]
I like to stay legit.

[/ QUOTE ]

You really think party views what you are doing in some different light as compared to giving money back?

[ QUOTE ]
We give up to 90% of what we make

[/ QUOTE ]

up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to. up to.

[ QUOTE ]
I don't even offer an Empire rake rebate so that 27% is immaterial.

[/ QUOTE ]

You mean other than the fact that with me having 27% in my Loc people then see they can get up to 27% at sites and not AT BEST 22.5%! /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[jek187]

Yes, I have gotten explicit permission from them to do what I'm doing, while everyone out there giving cashback is breaking their rules posted here. (http://mis.iglobalmedia.com/dont-try-04.html)

[1800GAMBLER]

[ QUOTE ]
Yes, I have gotten explicit permission from them to do what I'm doing, while everyone out there giving cashback is breaking their rules posted here. (http://mis.iglobalmedia.com/dont-try-04.html)

[/ QUOTE ]

5. Discounting rake to players - Rake Back

.. i'm confused.

[GrannyMae]

You really think party views what you are doing in some different light as compared to giving money back?

yes they do consider it different. i have asked and was told any rebate had to be in the form of prizes or gift certificates.

KGC prohibits any cash back and party is simply complying with the regulatory agency's rules.

[jek187]

[ QUOTE ]
5. Discounting rake to players - Rake Back

.. i'm confused.

[/ QUOTE ]

I don't see why, that's exactly what you do.

Now, if you're trying to say that we do the same thing, well, that's something you can take up with Party. I don't make the rules, but I play by them. What you're doing is defined as illegal by them, what I'm doing is defined as legal gifts for my players.

[_And1_]

"gift certificates" at party would equal cash.. hmm well well.. thats ok then..

[Ulysses]

[ QUOTE ]
I don't make the rules, but I play by them.

[/ QUOTE ]

I'm pretty sure the state of South Dakota would disagree with you on that.

Rules (http://www.gambling-law-us.com/State-Laws/South-Dakota/)

[Ulysses]

I'll elaborate a little, since it has been a little while since I commented on this.

Anyone in the US who runs an affiliate program is likely subject to pretty harsh penalties. Some states are more focused on this right now than others. Specifically, I'm aware of this being looked into in Nevada and NY. There are also federal people looking into this that I am aware of.

If you have a rakeback scheme w/ a couple of buddies, there's really very unlikely to be a problem.

But anybody who is marketing any type of affiliate business based in the US is really just a phone call away from facing some pretty harsh prosecution from local, state and federal authorities.

There's a gray area here. If you take a flat fee for each signup generated, you're probably OK in most states, though you might be in trouble in states which explicitly ban Internet gamlbing (NV, SD, MO are some, I believe). But you're definitely in trouble anywhere if you run a business where your income is based on some percentage of the rake generated by online poker/casino sites.

PS: 1800GAMBLER is in the UK.

[GrannyMae]

There's a gray area here. If you take a flat fee for each signup generated, you're probably OK in most states


not that the great diablo needs any confirmation, but i can confirm this. between the lack of enforcement, and the fact that CPA's do not encourage the continuance of gambling, i have an attorney that said it was *probably* safe.

[bunky9590]

[ QUOTE ]
There's a gray area here. If you take a flat fee for each signup generated, you're probably OK in most states, though you might be in trouble in states which explicitly ban Internet gamlbing (NV, SD, MO are some, I believe).

[/ QUOTE ]

Its Illegal in Jersey as well.

But in jersey they have bigger fish to fry I suppose.

[Ulysses]

FYI, CPA = Cost Per Action

[lorinda]

whoa those rakereturn.com rates suck

and who might you be? Another newbie trying to make a quick buck?

Lori

[NewUser]

[ QUOTE ]
whoa those rakereturn.com rates suck

and who might you be? Another newbie trying to make a quick buck?

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]


... or a NL player who freely gives solid advice to millions of small stake NL players. .. trigger happy?

Ah, yes, Pleasant Lorinda, who can always be counted upon for sweetness and light! We realize that being "new" here is grounds for contempt and insult; but it's really hitting below the belt to accuse a gambler of "trying to make a quick buck". I don't believe there's anyone here who would stoop THAT low!!!!!! /images/graemlins/smile.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[lorinda]

... or a NL player who freely gives solid advice to millions of small stake NL players. .. trigger happy?


Unlikely, check his registration date.

Edit: Actually, don't bother, I just discovered who you are.
Your association with him just strengthens my case.

Lori

[GrannyMae]

millions??

you know what dickhead? it is one thing for you to come on here and perpetually spam this place in between posts then cry like a fuking baby when you pay the price.

however, you stated in your WHINE post that you were banned because you are not a paid advertiser. do you think that people who advertise here can spam with a free pass? NO.

however, your biggest mistake was coming on here and stating this:

[ QUOTE ]
They are horseshit.

[/ QUOTE ]

if you want to spam for free, give it a shot like you have been. but to come on a commercial website and TRASH the sponsors is a step way over the line.

grow the fuk up
(btw, you are not god's gift to poker, regardless of what your minions think)

[NewUser]

/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Jeez, Granny, I hope you don't have a heart condition . . . /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[MrFroggyX]

KGC prohibits any cash back
Do you mean the Kahnawake Gaming Commission!?

ROFL!!! Hahahaha!! HAHAHAHAHAAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!That was funny!!!

EDIT:
Btw.. Jay's and BK are 2 poster that really contribute to this site.. I have always enjoyed reading their posts in the NL forum.

Before you flame someone... please.. Take a deep breath.. Count to 10.. And don't.
Thx. (And I don't understand what have happened to Lori? Have a bad day? My impression of you have always been a positive one.. But when you flame an active and good poster that I like to read.. Well then you are in the same category as Granny /images/graemlins/frown.gif )

*Side note*
You have convinced me.. What's the point in reading the Internet forum..? There are only garbage here.. I will from now on only read the strategy forums..

[GrannyMae]

thanks for your input.


don't be a stranger.
http://www.techhelpers.net/e4u/animal/tier39.gif

[MrFroggyX]

mmm.. It taste good /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[cornell2005]

[ QUOTE ]
... or a NL player who freely gives solid advice to millions of small stake NL players. .. trigger happy?


Unlikely, check his registration date.



[/ QUOTE ]

what are you talking about? look through my posts and you will see that 99% of them have been made in the NL forums, all pertaining to actual poker strategy. i know, shocking, ppeople actually talk poker outside the zoo. Good guess though.


P.S. You internet forum people really need to relax and remember that this is a poker forum and not a social club.

[lorinda]

what are you talking about? look through my posts and you will see that 99% of them have been made in the NL forums.

So that makes acting stupid in the zoo better?

I'm confused.

What you post on another forum has no bearing to how you come across in this one.

Whilst it seems you are a good poster elsewhere, and God, we need some, don't you think you could do us a favor and post some good stuff in here as well?
It's people like yourself who hear that they can come to the zoo to post crap that actually create the crap.

If you managed to put up with the NL forum, you're a stronger person than I, I lasted about four posts before I ran as fast as I could. So credit to you if you've turned that place around.
This is not a garbage tip, this was once the greatest forum on this site.

Lori

[cornell2005]

[ QUOTE ]
what are you talking about? look through my posts and you will see that 99% of them have been made in the NL forums.

So that makes acting stupid in the zoo better?

I'm confused.

What you post on another forum has no bearing to how you come across in this one.

Whilst it seems you are a good poster elsewhere, and God, we need some, don't you think you could do us a favor and post some good stuff in here as well?
It's people like yourself who hear that they can come to the zoo to post crap that actually create the crap.

If you managed to put up with the NL forum, you're a stronger person than I, I lasted about four posts before I ran as fast as I could. So credit to you if you've turned that place around.
This is not a garbage tip, this was once the greatest forum on this site.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

did you really just say that the nl forum is in worse shape than the zoo? you have to be kidding me...

there really wasnt anything wrong with what i wrote in this thread. he asks who gives prima rakeback, and noone responds. the people that read his post will assume that noone does. its not like an empire rakeback post where eveyrone on here knows that you can get rakeback on empire.

[lorinda]

did you really just say that the nl forum is in worse shape than the zoo? you have to be kidding me...


I said it was when I visited, which I just checked was September last year.

Lots of hideous advice, people wouldn't listen to logical debate and most of all people posting bad beats.
It was just a total waste of time trying to teach anything.

Same happened in the SNG forum, but then three or four really great posters appeared and that forum is now really good, I didn't dare go back to the NL forum because it was so full of people who just didn't understand the game, and more importantly who didn't want to understand the game.

Like I said, if you changed all that, I mean it, you deserve congratulating.

Lori

[MrFroggyX]

I said it was when I visited, which I just checked was September last year.

You know.. It's only a mouse click away.. It's not like you need to travel to the other side of the world to check things out..
Feel free to come around anytime.. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
Hey, who knows.. Maybe things have got better since your last visit.. (They even have a Mid, High stakes NL forum nowadays for the more advanced posters /images/graemlins/cool.gif )

[lorinda]

Virtually the first line (other than stack sizes) of the first post I look at.

ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($2), BB posts blind ($5).

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $25

Lori

[MrFroggyX]

[ QUOTE ]
Virtually the first line (other than stack sizes) of the first post I look at.

ANTES/BLINDS
SB posts blind ($2), BB posts blind ($5).

PRE-FLOP
Hero bets $25

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

?

You mean this post? Link to Post (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=1161265&page=0&view=colla psed&sb=5&o=93&fpart=1)

What is the problem? A standard 5xBB raise. Are you smoking something Lori? Or drinking? lol

[lorinda]

A standard 5xBB raise

as opposed to a bet.

Lori

[MrFroggyX]

Ok.

I think it's better if you stay in the "Zoo".. Both for your sake and the people that post in the NL forum(s). /images/graemlins/frown.gif

-Nic.

[spamuell]

Hi Lori,

This is not a garbage tip, this was once the greatest forum on this site.

I've only been here just over a year, but when?

[NewUser]

[ QUOTE ]
A standard 5xBB raise

as opposed to a bet.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

lol /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

[greg nice]

[ QUOTE ]
Ok.

I think it's better if you stay in the "Zoo".. Both for your sake and the people that post in the NL forum(s). /images/graemlins/frown.gif

-Nic.

[/ QUOTE ]

co-signed.

[jdl22]

[ QUOTE ]
A standard 5xBB raise

as opposed to a bet.

Lori

[/ QUOTE ]

I enjoy arguing semantics. In Hold'em the bb is called the "big blind" because he is forced to bet blind. So the bet is $5 and it's up to UTG to call (also referred to as limping), raise, or fold. Hence if UTG makes it $25 to go he has raised.

Betting generally refers to putting money in on a street where as of that point no money has been put in. For example, on the flop you are the first to act and you pot it, that is normally referred to as a pot sized bet and not a pot sized raise.

Note that Sklansky, Malmuth, and NPA Ed Miller actually don't use the definition given in the last paragraph. They claim that your options on the flop are to call (the current bet of 0), raise or fold. I don't take quite the hardline stance they do although one can see that technically they are correct. None the less the convention is to say that a bet is made when noone has yet put money in on that round.