Official Cards vs. Astros Game 6 thread!

[nolanfan34]

There's another series going on besides Bos./Yanks, you know.

Stros fans, what do you think about Peter Munro tonight? I don't think he makes it out of the 2nd inning, and Garner is forced to bring Clemens in.

Cards in 7.

[slavic]

If Munro can't hold it close then he is in there to eat innings. If he gives up 4 or 5 early expect him to stay as long as 6 innings followed by the dregs of the bullpen. Tomorrow there will only be 4 pitchers Clemens, Wheeler, Lidge, and maybe the Big O.

[MrGo]

I agree. If he gets rocked early, he will stay in so the bullpen will be rested for game 7. I expect Munro to pitch a good game. People underestimated Backe and look at what he did in game 5.

'Stros in 6!!!

[Aces McGee]

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Garner is forced to bring Clemens in.


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Bringing Clemens in would be a huge mistake, in my opinion.

-McGee

[Non_Comformist]

My opinion, a rsted Rocker gives the Astros their best chance to win. Save him for 7 and freeroll tonight.

[Clarkmeister]

Morris is -240. If we lose it's a total choke job.

[nolanfan34]

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Morris is -240. If we lose it's a total choke job.

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Man, I'm surprised the line could be that lopsided for one game. Not like Morris has been a world beater this year.

I agree they should win today though.

[MrGo]

That is a high line. Houston has had success vs. Morris in the past. I guess the oddmakers are just not giving Munro any credit.

Well good luck with the game today St. Louis fans! Should be a hell of a game.

Go 'Stros!

[Non_Comformist]

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Morris is -240. If we lose it's a total choke job.

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Could someone explain to me what that means. As far I can tell it says the Astros are 240 run underdogs to the Cardinals.

[hutz]

While it is a funny coincidence that the -240 may be both the money line and an indication of by how many runs the Cardinals should win today, what it really means (as my minimal sports gambling knowledge leads me to believe) is that one must bet $240 to win $100 if he picks the Cardinals to win the game. If this is wrong, I'm sure there'll be plenty of people who will set me straight.

[slavic]

It means to make $100 on a bet on StL. you have to lay $240.

St Louis has a better D
Morris won 15 v 5 Munro
St Louis is at home
St Louis faces elimination
Slugging is about even though I'd give the nod to StL.
Managers TLR has alot of exp over "Scrapiron" I loved Phil Garner as a player, he left it all on the field but he just hasn't done it yet as a manager. He's above average but TLR has won championships.

So money should go towards the Cardinals in a fairly heavy fashion. The one wildcard is that the Astros are freerolling today. Take the stress down a notch and certain players play better. (AKA Biggio)

[GuyOnTilt]

Hey Clark,

How's it feel knowing you only have a few more hours with that avatar? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Go freaking 'Stros!!!

GoT

[cjromero]

Clemens is not coming in if Munro gets rocked. The whole point of saving him until Game 7 is because that would give him his full 4 days rest. Since today is Oswalt's day to throw between starts, he will be the one that comes in if the Astros are trying to keep the game close or if they need a key out or two in the middle innings.

That -240 line is ridiculous. I know the Cards are at home and facing elimination, but the Astros rocked Morris last time out and Munro was able to keep the Cards at bay, at least early in the game.

[nolanfan34]

You all made good points about the pitching matchups, and Clemens, etc. But that doesn't mean Phil Garner is going to act/think logically. We'll see what happens.

Not a good start for the Cards. I'm surprised anyone has ever thrown out Beltran trying to steal.

[MrGo]

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Go freaking 'Stros!!!
GoT

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YEAH!!! 1st and 3rd, 1 out. Let's go Berkman!!!!!

[MrGo]

Pujols hits another one out...damn

[MrGo]

Wow Munro is looking terrible. I'm not watching the game (at work) but he seems very shaky and nervous. Someone fill me in!

[MrGo]

51 pitches already for Morris..not even through 3 innings yet.

Go 'Stros!

[nolanfan34]

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Stros fans, what do you think about Peter Munro tonight? I don't think he makes it out of the 2nd inning, and Garner is forced to bring Clemens in.

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Bump. I wasn't too far off. Go Cards!!!!

[MrGo]

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Stros fans, what do you think about Peter Munro tonight? I don't think he makes it out of the 2nd inning, and Garner is forced to bring Clemens in.

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Bump. I wasn't too far off. Go Cards!!!!

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No you weren't! An unfortunate good call.

[Joe Tall]

What happened to Womack? I missed it.

Morris is afraid to give up late 4-5th inning runs.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

[nolanfan34]

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What happened to Womack? I missed it.

Morris is afraid to give up late 4-5th inning runs.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

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They just showed a replay, apparently he had lower back spasms. According to Harold Reynolds, Womack is the key for the Cards today, so it looks like they're in trouble.

The real key is keeping gas can Morris away from the Astros hot bats. I think this will be a 10-8 Cards final.

[Don Denkinger]

I agree with Tony La Russa's decision to not get the bullpen ready right now.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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I agree with Tony La Russa's decision to not get the bullpen ready right now.

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WHATS THE [censored] SCORE!!!!

[MrGo]

How smart of a move did Garner make by playing Lamb instead of Ensberg?

Lamb prior to today - 4-10 with 3 HR's off of Morris.
Today - 1/1 with a walk and a HR.

[GuyOnTilt]

As much as I hate Garner's tendency to go to his pen too early, I was really relieved (har har) he pulled out Munro in the 3rd.

GoT

[nolanfan34]

Meh. Pujols is human after all. That was a terrible baserunning mistake. I think after he went 2nd to 3rd on that fly ball to Biggio, he temporarily thought he was fast or something.

[MrGo]

Who would you rather have? Pujols or Beltran?

[nolanfan34]

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Who would you rather have? Pujols or Beltran?

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If I was starting a team from scratch? Pujols, and it isn't close. Take a look at the career numbers, age, etc. Yes, Beltran is better on defense, but Pujols is looking to be a once-in-a-generation type of hitter. I don't think Beltran has had a season over 1.000 OPS, and he's really a .275-.280 career hitter (off the top of my head).

I like Beltran, but he's going to be highly overpaid this summer because he essentially had two hot weeks at the right time of the year.

[MrGo]

I agree. I would take Pujols as well. I wouldn't say it's not close however. But I would take Albert with no hesitation.

[nolanfan34]

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I agree. I would take Pujols as well. I wouldn't say it's not close however. But I would take Albert with no hesitation.

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OK, it's close for argument's sake, but in the end, on top of the skill difference, would you rather have Pujols for 10 good years or Beltran for 6? Because that's another factor with the age difference.

Well, that's assuming Pujols is really 24 of course.

BTW, that was a huge inning for Morris to get through. I barely had time to look up from my desk and the inning was over.

[Don Denkinger]

How was that a double play? The runner was clearly safe at first.

[nolanfan34]

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How was that a double play? The runner was clearly safe at first.

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It's only a matter of time before you screw up and forget to log out and log back in as yourself TSC, and we catch you in the act.

[nolanfan34]

Ugh. 6th inning, and who's left in the pen after Kiko? Eldred? Two hurt guys, and Isringhausen? I feel like he took Morris out one inning too early, but I guess he didn't want Lamb to bat against him again.

Come on Cards!!!

[JinX11]

Busted!!

[ThaSaltCracka]

dude, I barely know who the hell Dan Dekinger is, and furthermore I don't care at all about his missed call.

Sorry it ain't me. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[nolanfan34]

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dude, I barely know who the hell Dan Dekinger is, and furthermore I don't care at all about his missed call.

Sorry it ain't me. /images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Yeah, you're too busy with the Yankees/Sox threads anyway. I hoped maybe I would flush out the culprit. Maybe Clarkmeister is doing it, as part of some weird reverse jinx attempt.

[ThaSaltCracka]

could be, but yeah its not me. I have one alter ego on here and he rarely shows up.

[tripdad]

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WHATS THE [censored] SCORE!!!!

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cards 4
stros 3

inning 7

[Clarkmeister]

I just don't see how we can win this game. Stranded 10 through 7, and missed many chances to score. The bullpen hasn't done the job all series and it's just too much to ask them to pitch 4 shutout innings. I see the Astros taking this one. It's just too tough to miss that many opportunities and not have it come back to bite you when it's a playoff game. If I were an Astro fan, I'd be so excited right now that I even had a chance to win this one.

Pathetic.

[nolanfan34]

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If I were an Astro fan, I'd be so excited right now that I even had a chance to win this one.

Pathetic.

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I agree with this. I just hope there's enough of "we have Clemens in game 7" in the back of their minds that Isringhausen can outpitch them these two innings. I just hope Houston plays at a lower urgency level than the Cards are...

[nolanfan34]

I wouldn't mind seeing an insurance run or two here in the 8th.

Go Cards!

[Clarkmeister]

We have to make them go 1-2-3 in the 9th or Beltran comes up again.

[Joe Tall]

We have to make them go 1-2-3 in the 9th or Beltran comes up again.

It'll be real interesting when Biggio gets on.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

[nolanfan34]

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We have to make them go 1-2-3 in the 9th or Beltran comes up again.

It'll be real interesting when Biggio gets on.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

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Or when Izzy hits frickin Ensberg. [censored]!

[Ulysses]

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I just don't see how we can win this game. Stranded 10 through 7, and missed many chances to score. The bullpen hasn't done the job all series and it's just too much to ask them to pitch 4 shutout innings. I see the Astros taking this one. It's just too tough to miss that many opportunities and not have it come back to bite you when it's a playoff game. If I were an Astro fan, I'd be so excited right now that I even had a chance to win this one.

Pathetic.

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Nice to see you just giving up, Clarky.

Wonder if Beltran or Bagwell will hit the game winning home run.

[Joe Tall]

Or when Izzy hits frickin Ensberg. [censored]!

This is awesome! They are walking him but Bagwell has better number versus Izzy then Beltran.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

[Joe Tall]

May I quote myself...

Bagwell has better number versus Izzy then Beltran.

WOW!

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

[nolanfan34]

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Or when Izzy hits frickin Ensberg. [censored]!

This is awesome! They are walking him but Bagwell has better number versus Izzy then Beltran.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

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You can't question walking Beltran. No way you want to pitch to him.

Of course Bagwell has promptly tied the game. [censored]

[Losing all]

5 years ago Bagwell would have hit that out, way out.

[Clarkmeister]

It was just obvious.

[nolanfan34]

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5 years ago Bagwell would have hit that out, way out.

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5 years ago he would have choked in that situation, like he and Biggio did every year in the playoffs.

Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds coming up. I like the Cards chances still.

[MrGo]

Lidge coming in however. Hopefully Lidge goes 1-2-3.

Go 'Stros.

I don't question walking Beltran - the guy's on fire. It was a bad pitch by Isringhausen

[Nate tha' Great]

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Or when Izzy hits frickin Ensberg. [censored]!

This is awesome! They are walking him but Bagwell has better number versus Izzy then Beltran.

GO SOX!
-Joe Tall

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You can't question walking Beltran. No way you want to pitch to him.

Of course Bagwell has promptly tied the game. [censored]

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1. Beltran's main advantage versus Bagwell at this point in his career is in the power department. Bagwell hits about as many singles and doubles, and that's what you're really trying to prevent here.

2. There is some consequence to putting the winning run on base, especially a guy who is fast enough to score from second on a double.

3. To some extent you can have it both ways. Pitch carefully to Beltran and proceed if you're ahead in the count. You can still put him on if you get behind.

[Clarkmeister]

There is zero chance the Cards win this.

[Ulysses]

Holy cow, is Lidge good!

[nolanfan34]

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1. Beltran's main advantage versus Bagwell at this point in his career is in the power department. Bagwell hits about as many singles and doubles, and that's what you're really trying to prevent here.

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Come on Nate, gimme a break. You don't want a single or double, but giving Beltran a shot to golf another HR would be OK? That's crazy talk.

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2. There is some consequence to putting the winning run on base, especially a guy who is fast enough to score from second on a double.

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This is true, but when you only need one out, I think the main thing you think about as a manager is who is easier to get out, Beltran or Bagwell? I'd go with Bagwell.

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3. To some extent you can have it both ways. Pitch carefully to Beltran and proceed if you're ahead in the count. You can still put him on if you get behind.

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I agree with this to a point. But if your backup plan is to walk him if you fall behind anyway, then I see no reason to put your pitcher in a situation where he can make a mistake with a pitch to the hottest hitter in the game.

[Clarkmeister]

There isn't a Cardinal fan in the world who wanted to pitch to Beltran there. And there isn't an Astro fan who wanted to see him walked. Case closed.

[nolanfan34]

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There isn't a Cardinal fan in the world who wanted to pitch to Beltran there. And there isn't an Astro fan who wanted to see him walked. Case closed.

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Good summary.

There's still time Clark, don't give up hope. At this point it's probably to the Cards advantage to have this thing go longer, to get Lidge out of the game. Which sucks.

[Clarkmeister]

I thought it was over (in the Astros favor) when we were *leading* in the 8th. I certainly think it's over now.

[MrGo]

Will Tavarez pitch do you think? They need him IMO.

[Clarkmeister]

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Will Tavarez pitch do you think? They need him IMO.

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Who needs him? Houston?

[nolanfan34]

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Will Tavarez pitch do you think? They need him IMO.

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Who needs him? Houston?

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I guess we'll find out now.

Man, you'd be a ball of fun to watch a game with Clark. /images/graemlins/blush.gif

[Clarkmeister]

I'm a great front-runner though. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

At least I didn't disappear like the Red Sox fans in Games 1-4.

[MrGo]

Who does St. Louis have after Tavarez in the pen that you have confidence in?

Meat of Houston's order coming up if St. Louis doesn't score here...

Go 'Stros!!!

[Losing all]

Nice reverse jinxology

[Clarkmeister]

Haren has been awesome. I get the feeling that Tony is purposely saving him for tomorrow just in case. Suppan lately has been shelled early, or goes a while. I'd guess that he doesn't want to trust Marquis in the long relief role.

[sublime]

At least I didn't disappear like the Red Sox fans in Games 1-4.

Funny, I didnt notice you while you were in Boston this past week.

[MrGo]

That was a huge inning for Lidge. Next inning will be bigger.

[Losing all]

Seeing that the bench is empty, does Hou have a decent hitting pitcher?

[Clarkmeister]

Just go back and look at the difference in the number of Boston fans in the Game 1, 2 and 3 threads compared to the Game 5 and 6 threads. It's pathetic.

That said, I hope Boston wins tonight.

[nolanfan34]

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Seeing that the bench is empty, does Hou have a decent hitting pitcher?

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Nice call, apparently it's Brandon Backe.

[sublime]

True, but I personally posted that the Sox would win this series before game 3 /images/graemlins/grin.gif

These playoffs have been AWESOME

[Losing all]

He'll probably make an out here, but he takes a rip like a man.

[MrGo]

Horrible inning for Houston...just ridiculous.

[nolanfan34]

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He'll probably make an out here, but he takes a rip like a man.

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He ALMOST milked a walk. Did Orlando Palmeiro bat already and I missed it? He must have.

Hey Stros fans...what time is it? It's Miceli time!!

[MrGo]

Backe is the best they got for hitting.

[MrGo]

ugh so nervous..COME ON MICILI...geez

[MrGo]

This is where you wish you had Beltran instead of Pujols...stealing bases.

[MrGo]

Yup..had a feeling..[censored] Micili

[sublime]

Dan Miceli is a stud

[MrGo]

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Dan Miceli is a stud

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Yeah..a stud of [censored] [censored]

[Losing all]

Jebus, what a blast!

[nolanfan34]

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Dan Miceli is a stud

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Yeah..a stud of [censored] [censored]

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BOOOO YEAHHHH!!!!!!!

[Nate tha' Great]

Man, what a boring post season so far.

[MrGo]

It was a good game...gonna be a good game 7 that's for sure.

[nolanfan34]

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Man, what a boring post season so far.

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Just because Chicago isn't a part of it is no reason to be cranky. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Man, what a boring post season so far.

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I agree, this [censored] sucks!!!

[MrGo]

I think Clark is still jumping up and down /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[nolanfan34]

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I think Clark is still jumping up and down /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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I think he turned off the TV. The Cards were going to lose, remember? Come back Clark, they won!

[ThaSaltCracka]

Nolan, you are on pace to shatter my first year posts total!!!

[Rushmore]

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I agree, this [censored] sucks!!!

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Edmonds just slammed his walkoff game winner, and now I get to watch the NY-Boston Game 7.

I'm sorry, but could these two series be any better?

Not to sound maudlin or anything, but I swear, I haven't enjoyed baseball this much since I was 14 years old.

[GuyOnTilt]

Like I've been saying for the last week, 'Stros in 7.

GoT

[ThaSaltCracka]

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I agree, this [censored] sucks!!!

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Edmonds just slammed his walkoff game winner, and now I get to watch the NY-Boston Game 7.

I'm sorry, but could these two series be any better?

Not to sound maudlin or anything, but I swear, I haven't enjoyed baseball this much since I was 14 years old.

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we are joking.

awesome postseason, easily better than last years.

[MrGo]

This series has been better than the NY/BOS series IMO. Too bad they get all the attention.

[cjromero]

I told my wife that the Astros would lose as soon as Lidge went out and Miceli came in. He is [censored] worthless. That's three game winning home runs he has given up in the playoffs. If he is allowed to get his ass off of the bullpen bench either in Game 7 or in the World Series, Gerry Hunsicker should go down in the dugout and kill Phil Garner with his bare hands.

[ThaSaltCracka]

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This series has been better than the NY/BOS series IMO. Too bad they get all the attention.

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silly statement.

[nolanfan34]

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Nolan, you are on pace to shatter my first year posts total!!!

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Sponger is way ahead of me. The baseball playoffs have padded my total. Besides, I'm way ahead of you when it comes to poker strategy post/OT crap ratio. I'm batting like .350 there, and you're like .005. /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[Clarkmeister]

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Was talking on the phone with my Dad, who lives in Chicago, during the game. When he swung, I just said into the phone "gone."

Whew. And it works out better like this because hopefully Lidge might possibly, maybe, possibly be a little bit tired tomorrow. Maybe.

Actually, he had thrown so few pitches that I was surprised that Garner didn't bring him out to fact the heart of the order for one last inning.

[ThaSaltCracka]

mine will go up, those poor bastards in the micro nl forum need it.

[nolanfan34]

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Actually, he had thrown so few pitches that I was surprised that Garner didn't bring him out to fact the heart of the order for one last inning.

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No kidding. 9 batters, 5 k's. That's sick.

In the back of Garner's mind though, he had to be thinking about needing Lidge in game 7.

[Clarkmeister]

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Hey Stros fans...what time is it? It's Miceli time!!

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POTD

[MrGo]

Micili is [censored] useless. Why not bring in Duckworth?!?!? Where in the [censored] has he been????

[nolanfan34]

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Hey Clark,

How's it feel knowing you only have a few more hours with that avatar? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Go freaking 'Stros!!!

GoT

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bump *cough* bump

[ThaSaltCracka]

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Hey Clark,

How's it feel knowing you only have a few more hours with that avatar? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Go freaking 'Stros!!!

GoT

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bump *cough* bump

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HAHAHAHA, Clark you should have taken the bet.