My first 100 SNG's at $30 level

[Bigwig]

Meh, I'm not so thrilled with the results. I two table/stagger start. Is there anything you can tell about my finishes? Any feedback? Thanks.

1. 13
2. 17
3. 13
4. 17
5. 17
6. 10
7. 6
8. 4
9. 3

ITM: 43%
ROI: 16.2%

[AtlBrvs4Life]

I think your ROI is wrong. It should be 22.5% if I'm not mistaken.

Edit: And that's not a bad ROI. You're a decent winning player so far.

[Bigwig]

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I think your ROI is wrong. It should be 22.5% if I'm not mistaken.

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Well, it's wrong. But not that badly. It's actually 16.2%. Unless I actually don't know how to figure ROI.

[stupidsucker]

acording to my calculations your roi is higher then 16%

100 games played = $3300
$$ made = $4260
Profit = $960

29% roi

and thats pretty good.

It is impossible for anyone to tell you after only 100 games what is really going on without looking at the actual hands. 100 is pretty small of a sample.

Its obvious you have more 1sts then seconds. IS this because HU play needs work, or are you short stacked HU too often? Its possible you need to be more aggressive while in 3rd place.

[AtlBrvs4Life]

Oh yea stupidsucker you're right. I was wrong with my correction because I divided by 4260 instead of 3300. Oh well I'm trashed right now.

[stupidsucker]

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Unless I actually don't know how to figure ROI.

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This looks to be the case.

RoI is figured by taking your total profit ($960)and dividing it by total spent($3300)

960/3300=.290909090909090909090909

roi= 29%

understand?

[Bigwig]

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acording to my calculations your roi is higher then 16%

100 games played = $3300
$$ made = $4260
Profit = $960

29% roi

and thats pretty good.

It is impossible for anyone to tell you after only 100 games what is really going on without looking at the actual hands. 100 is pretty small of a sample.

Its obvious you have more 1sts then seconds. IS this because HU play needs work, or are you short stacked HU too often? Its possible you need to be more aggressive while in 3rd place.

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Wait a minute, heh.

Everyone keeps saying I'm wrong about the calculation, but I'm totally missing it.

13 1sts times $135 = 1755
17 2nds times $81 = 1377
13 3rds times $54 = 702

1755 + 1377 + 702 = 3834/3300 = 16.2%

Right???

[rjb03]

Your calculation is correct. Everyone else is assuming 10 player SNGs, but there are only 9 players.

[Bigwig]

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Your calculation is correct. Everyone else is assuming 10 player SNGs, but there are only 9 players.

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Ah, that explains it. Too bad for me. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[stupidsucker]

ah, my bad.

Sorry, I play party, and I make a terrible assumption that everyone else does too. Its a good idea to specify the site.

What a difference it makes with 10 vs 9 people and stars vs party.

[rachelwxm]

Nice numbers. Congrats. Since I am starting play at ps now what's your opinion regarding the skills of different levels like 10-30s buy in at ps? What's your result at 10 and 20s level?
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[silversurfer]

I recently just asked for this formula myself. It is total profit (win$ - cost of playing) divided by cost.
You are calculating your $ won divided by the cost.
You are actually at about 28%, and should be very happy with your ROI - so far. /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Bigwig]

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Nice numbers. Congrats. Since I am starting play at ps now what's your opinion regarding the skills of different levels like 10-30s buy in at ps? What's your result at 10 and 20s level?
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Thanks. As someone pointed out, 100 SNG's is not a 'good' sample size. I'm looking (at least hoping) more for analysis on my place finishes. But, I have found the $30's to be slightly harder than the $20's so far. Not too much, though. The one difference seems to be one less maniac/fish/moron per table. At the $20's, you usually have about 3.

The $10's are definitely easier than the $20's. I was having a rough run a few months ago, and played 14 $10's just to get some confidence back. My results for those:

1. 4
2. 3
3. 2
4. 0
5. 2
6. 0
7. 1
8. 1
9. 1

ITM: 64.3%
ROI: 92.9%

Now, 14 is obviously an incredibly small sample. But, I do remember doing this with relative ease. And I even have some notes on some horrible beats I had in that stretch. So, once you feel comfortable beating the $10's, a move to the $20's or maybe even the $30's shouldn't be difficult. You don't have to play 300 SNG's to be comfortable with that jump, IMO.

[rachelwxm]

Thanks. I have about 50% ROI at 10 level and several things kind of keep me from moving up is

1. people play much tighter at 20+ levels, usually 8 of 9 stay at 50/100 blinds, and the one out was usually flush knock out set or something like that.

2. most importantly, for me to make same $/game, I have to at least get 25% ROI at 20 level and 17% at 30 level, not to say I have to concentrate more to avoid slow play trap. While I can easily play at least 2 table at low level. No need to pay attention before 50/100 blinds.

3. I still need some work on HP games. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Do you have any opinions?

[Bigwig]

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Thanks. I have about 50% ROI at 10 level

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If this is a good sample size, you're ready to move to $20. No question about it. I doubt anyone would disagree with me.

[rachelwxm]

Really I wonder what the function looks like say you have
X roi at 10 what is your best guess of ROI at 20 or 30. I am try to maximizing the $/tourney given this curve. If two are the same, I would choose low limit one since it is easy, right?

What is your best guess?

[Bigwig]

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Really I wonder what the function looks like say you have
X roi at 10 what is your best guess of ROI at 20 or 30. I am try to maximizing the $/tourney given this curve. If two are the same, I would choose low limit one since it is easy, right?

What is your best guess?

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I've put some thought into that, and asked some of the higher limit players on 2+2 what they thought there roi would be at the lower levels. The consensus is -- there is no consensus.

But if you're doing 50% at the 10's, I think you would be able to hand 25% at the 20's.