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realbad101

10-19-2004, 08:35 PM

Just moving up to 2/4 on party and would appreciate advice on these two hands...

This first hand is everyone's favorite pocket jacks. I was happy to not flop any overcards, but surprised by the action...

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, all-In.BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP3 raises, BB folds, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets, UTG folds, Hero calls.

River: (11.25 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 13.25 BB
Main Pot: 13.25 BB, between SB, Hero and MP3.

The second hand is another favorite KQ. Is the pre-flop raise legit? Should I have stuck around?

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, MP2 calls, BB calls, UTG+2 folds.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, BB calls, Hero calls.

River: (8.75 BB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, BB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB
Main Pot: 12.75 BB, between Hero and MP2.

Evan

10-19-2004, 08:40 PM

1) I like it. You won't push him off of a bluff and you won't lose a lot of AA-QQ. I might bet the river, I'm not sure.

2) I wanna 3 bet the river but I don't think I could push myself to do it.

realbad101

10-19-2004, 09:31 PM

Thanks Evan. Anyone else see any glitches?

Haupt_234

10-19-2004, 09:47 PM

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The second hand is another favorite KQ. Is the pre-flop raise legit? Should I have stuck around?

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Yes and yes.

Haupt_234

Spicymoose

10-19-2004, 11:22 PM

1) Why would you not raise the turn, then bet out the river?

2) Seems like an easy 3 bet on the river, they arnt that likely to own the ace.

pokerkai

10-19-2004, 11:47 PM

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1) Why would you not raise the turn, then bet out the river?

2) Seems like an easy 3 bet on the river, they arnt that likely to own the ace.

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1. cuz you dont want him to check behind on the river with ace high but dont want to have to fold to a 3 bet on the turn.

2. 3 betting the river i think is a bit on the laggy side.

realbad101

10-20-2004, 08:05 AM

Thanks for the replys.

1st hand, the villain shows pocket kings.
2nd hand, villian shows AQ with A /images/graemlins/club.gif

My main intent with the post was to see if these could have been reliably sniffed out but it doesn't seem to be the case.

Chris Daddy Cool

10-20-2004, 08:15 AM

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2) Seems like an easy 3 bet on the river, they arnt that likely to own the ace.

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not 3-betting the river here is fine. constantly making marginal raises and leaving yourself open to 3-bets and caps is a serious leak.

jtr

10-20-2004, 08:23 AM

Welcome to 2/4 realbad.

In hand 1, MP3 is either overplaying a big ace, or he's got an overpair to the flop just like you. Sadly, by the end of the hand, two of the three overpairs you like (88, 99, TT) have turned into trips. But I don't see how you could have played it much differently.

In hand 2, yes, the preflop raise is more than legit, I'd say compulsory. And you did nothing wrong after the flop either.

spamuell

10-20-2004, 08:32 AM

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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J, J.
UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP2 folds, MP3 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, all-In.BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

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I hope this is a glitch with the converter and you actually capped. You have four crappy opponents, missing a cap with JJ is a serious error.

I would also have threebet the flop.

Second hand is fine.

Evan

10-20-2004, 08:35 AM

1) Because AK won't bet the river and AA-QQ will likely be too scared/confused to raise

2) They raised the river with a 4 flush on the board and you have the king, how many cards are they likely to have? That answer is not many...when they have the ace you lose 2 BB by raising, when they don't you win 1 BB--so they have to not have an ace almost 70% of the time.

Evan

10-20-2004, 08:37 AM

I don't think not capping JJ out of position is as bad as you say.

spamuell

10-20-2004, 08:46 AM

I don't think not capping JJ out of position is as bad as you say.

There is a 3-bettor and three cold-callers. Put them on hand ranges. Run some sims. Do all this before it is too late to edit your post.