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Seether
10-19-2004, 06:40 AM
Fairly new to the table. No signifigant reads.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, CO calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (10 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (23 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 26 BB
spamuell
10-19-2004, 06:44 AM
This is fine.
thirddan
10-19-2004, 06:55 AM
why did you choose to stop/go rather than just 3betting the flop?
private joker
10-19-2004, 06:57 AM
I think flopping top 2 pair was a very good move on your part.
spamuell
10-19-2004, 07:17 AM
why did you choose to stop/go rather than just 3betting the flop?

Collects overcalls. Chance to get three bets in on the turn. Very likely you are way ahead.

I think 3-betting the flop is fine as well.
Seether
10-19-2004, 07:24 AM
As bad as this sounds it just felt right at the time. This is one of the reasons I wanted analysis of the hand. I think the only hands that the 3 bet is chasing out are hands such as QK KJ QJ, which if containing a club might stick around anyways.

I lead out on the turn due to the position of the raiser relative to me makes the chance of him raising on simply a flush draw a much higher chance than a made hand (opinions on this?). I think the 3 bet is pretty straight forward, I was confident I had the best hand on the flop and the turn was a nice dud imo.
flawless_victory
10-19-2004, 08:40 AM
i think the bet-call...bet-3bet line is optimal as long as your opponent is agg enough to raise your turn bet... it is the way i would most commonlt play your hand on party... the preflop raise out of the blind is no good
MHarris
10-19-2004, 09:35 AM
If he doesn't raise this out of the SB in an unraised pot, he's making a mistake.
MHarris
10-19-2004, 09:40 AM
Nicely played. You could 3-bet the flop here, but the stop-and-go is fine as you're likely way ahead and it builds more volume if CO raises again.
thirddan
10-19-2004, 01:29 PM
this preflop raise should be pretty standard...
StellarWind
10-19-2004, 01:34 PM
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pudley4
10-19-2004, 01:54 PM
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the preflop raise out of the blind is very good



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fixed.
Sarge85
10-19-2004, 02:26 PM
....lol.... actually made me laugh.

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bdk3clash
10-19-2004, 04:02 PM
Wow do I like this stop and go. I would have 3-bet the flop, but I like your line better.

I might be biased by knowing that you got to 3-bet the turn with top two pair, though.
realbad101
10-19-2004, 04:17 PM
Why the preflop raise? Without you are getting 9 to 1 which is plus ev for getting your flush draw. But without flopping a flush draw (or say a 2 pair) you could be looking at having a dominated hand out of position. AJ is a real possibility for one of the limpers.

Flop play onward I like. 3 betting the flop to protect your hand is not a bad idea though.
bdk3clash
10-19-2004, 04:24 PM
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Why the preflop raise? Without you are getting 9 to 1 which is plus ev for getting your flush draw. But without flopping a flush draw (or say a 2 pair) you could be looking at having a dominated hand out of position. AJ is a real possibility for one of the limpers.

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As is the cheese they probably limped with. AA is a possibility when you raise with KK, but you take your chances when you likely have the best of it, like when you have a strong hands like ATs against a gaggle of limpers.

If someone has a stronger hand, hey, you've got outs, and you're suited. Gambool!

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Flop play onward I like. 3 betting the flop to protect your hand is not a bad idea though.

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3-betting doesn't really do much to protect your hand here. BB/UTG+1/MP3 would be getting at least 18:2 to call another two cold if you 3-bet.

There's no real draw you're protecting against here by 3-betting, but I would have done it anyway.