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[Quercus]

Less than one rotation at this table. All I know is that MP2 is "any two cards" loose.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif. Hero posts a blind of $1. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="CC3333">CO (poster) raises</font>, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (20 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(10 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO folds, Button calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (17.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Weak?

River: (22.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
UTG calls $1 (All-In), UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: 28 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 25 BB, between Hero, Button, UTG and UTG+2.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 3 BB, between Hero, Button, SB and UTG+2.</font>

[Jimbobobb]

Looks pretty standard to me. You question raising the turn? I don't see why you would do that. Your hand has no showdown value in itself, and raising would probably be neg EV even if button came along to your raise.

[nothumb]

I disagree about the turn. I think a case can be made for raising, since our Hero just picked up an OESD to go with his flush draw. If button comes along it is clearly +EV, and even if button folds and all others call it is still, I think, +EV even if you consider the outside chance that someone has a straight already.

What makes it even better is that UTG doesn't even have enough to 3-bet you and probably can't drive anyone out.

The more I look at it, the more I say raise the turn. But I've been known to push too hard in these situations.

NT

[Jimbobobb]

I stand completely corrected with my inability to actually read a board. Missed the straight draw completely. So hero has 6 more outs. 15 outs needs ~3 callers to be +EV, so yup, fire away sir.

[Quercus]

The second after I hit "check" I started kicking myself.

[HajiShirazu]

Why would you want to raise the turn. Granted you might be giving up a small fraction of a bet of value, but by raising the turn, you give up the chance to gain up to 1.5 additional bets of pure value on the river if the straight/flush card hits, the original all-in bettor who will bet no matter what bets, and you get a chance to raise.

[bisonbison]

On the turn:

1. How many outs do you have?
2. How many calls do you expect?

This is simple math. What is your expectation?

[Peter Harris]

i reckon you could raise the turn, with a straight draw as well as the clubs, you've picked up another 6 outs.

Does he have equity here to raise?? 15 outs, (why does the code say 6 players when there are 5 in the pot?) 5 or 6 way depending on who you believe? He must have equity for a raise.

Regards,
Pete Harris

[bisonbison]

(why does the code say 6 players when there are 5 in the pot?)

It missed SB's 2nd action on the flop. Quercus, can you PM me the hand?

[Quercus]

Results in white below: <font color="white">
SB has 9h Js (one pair, jacks).
UTG has 7s 4s (straight, eight high).
UTG+2 has Qd 7d (one pair, queens).
Hero has Kc 7c (flush, king high).
Button has Jc Qh (two pair, queens and jacks).
Outcome: Hero wins 28 BB. </font>

[meep_42]

Love the raise on the flop.
Would have loved the raise on the turn (call a 3-bet from UTG).

I definitely think you're making money with a raise here, since you can expect all three ahead of you to call one more. The only risk is if UTG 3-bets you and gets them to fold to 2 more cold.

-d

[SomethingClever]

10 players to the flop!!!!

Maybe 1/2 is juicier than I remember...

[gvibes]

I think meep is spot on here.