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Grisgra

10-17-2004, 05:15 PM

Hand #1: No reads except seems like more solid than usual 5/10 player. 4-bet turn or no?

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
Hero raises, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold.

Flop: (5 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
Main Pot: 11.50 BB, between SB and Hero.
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Hand #2: Pop river without nuts, or no? What if it was 54 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif instead of Q9 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif?

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. MP posts a blind of $5.
UTG calls, MP (poster) checks, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls.

Turn: (5.20 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, UTG calls, MP calls.

River: (8.20 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, MP folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.20 BB
Main Pot: 12.20 BB, between UTG and Hero.
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Hand #3: The cap on the flop struck me, as did the non-HU aspect.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
1 fold, MP calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6 SB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, MP raises, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, MP caps, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

River: (12 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 15 BB
Main Pot: 15 BB, between BB, MP and Hero.
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Hand #4: Bet the river? Would it be a value bet?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG raises, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, Button raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.70 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero bets, UTG calls, Button folds.

River: (9.70 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks.

Final Pot: 9.70 BB
Main Pot: 9.70 BB, between Hero and UTG.

mscott

10-18-2004, 12:28 AM

Hand 1: I'd say cap the turn. They’re only 2 hands that he could have that beat you, 77 TT. If he bets out the river, after you cap, I'd just call.
Hand 2: With 54 I’d just call, but with Q9 I'd be more inclined to make it 3. I play at lower limits though. If you think he's solid you might just call.
Hand 3: I've had that situation come up too. I'd bet out the turn if he raises I'd consider folding.
Hand 4: I put UTG on a mid PP, like 88 maybe even 44, or he has a 4 or a 5 in his hand. The only thing you can beat is a pair of 5's so I'd check the river.

Scotch78

10-18-2004, 01:56 AM

Hand 1:
My first thought was to cap it, but I think you're up against a set more often than you're ahead. However, you are still ahead a lot of the time, so I like the call down.

Hand 2:
I don't think either hand is strong enough to 3-bet this river.

Hand 3:
I fold the flop when it's capped, but from your comments I think you already knew that. Trust your instincts.

Hand 4:
Fold pre-flop, then check-fold the flop. Even if you are ahead at this point (unlikely), there are 42 scare cards for you. No way do you have enough pot equity to play this one out.

Scott

Bill Smith

10-18-2004, 09:37 AM

Hand #1: Nope. Call down after the 3-bet. You're bet by a set or QJ here.

Hand #2: I think I have to 3-bet the river with any 2 diamonds here. If capped by an overflush, oh well, bad luck, next hand. More often than not, you'll run into a rivered 2-pair, a slowplayed set, etc...

Hand #3: Maybe raise the turn and fold to a 3-bet? I think this is fine against a LAG opponent.

Hand #4: Depends on the read. If he calls a lot of rivers with a high card, I would bet it. I just don't see this being much of a value bet otherwise.

Grisgra

10-18-2004, 03:49 PM

Good to see that there's no easy answer to these /images/graemlins/smile.gif.
I'll post results+comments tomorrow, waiting for a few more comments.

steeser

10-18-2004, 05:01 PM

Hand 1: I probably call the 3 bet and river if I don't fill up.

Hand 2: I would 3 bet the river with any flush.

Hand 3: I'm not convinced that he doesn't have KK, AQ or even KQ. I might pop him on the turn, and if he re-raises, re-evaluate.

Hand 4: I would let this go on the flop, as the turn and river can bring a ton of cards I don't want to see.

Grisgra

10-20-2004, 01:32 PM

Hand #1: SB had AT and MHWG. I think that against an unknown I still don't 4-bet.

Hand #2: I think he had a baby flush and MHWG. I think that I should have popped it for one more bet, call a raise.

Hand #3: No way I'm laying this down, as someone suggested. Both had Q-rag, MHWG. Probably a turn raise isn't warranted, but given that the card that's paired is TWOs, I have to feel strong about my chances, so maybe it would have been better.

Hand #4: You guys need to have more faith in TPTK. Yeah, there are 42 potential scare cards, but not that many actual threats. I think the goomba calling me down had A5 or AQ, and MHWG. I think his turn call implied overcards, not a big pair.

Grisgra

10-20-2004, 02:53 PM

Too late to edit /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

Hand #2: Make that "crying-call a raise". Eh, or not. Still haven't made up my mind about 3-betting this one.

Hand #4: Oops. Okay, it's not exactly TPTK, but it's TP!