Omaha Hand KKQ5

Livegame 1$-1$-2$-4$ Blinds 6handed


Stacks:

Button: 600$

Sb 1$: 500$

BB 1$: 300$

BB 2$:100$ (Me)

BB 4$: 1500$

Cutoff: 200$


All call including me, I hold KsKcQc5h. I figure I want to see a flop, and then take it from there. 4$ blind, raises 20$ all call except sb and i make it another 76$ to go (allin).


I figure maybe the BB4$ puts in a reraise to kill the field or maybe my raise alone will kill the field, Nobody folds. 5handed flop.


What about this move? Should i have folded when he put in the extra 20$ or just call maybe to see the flop?

Is there any chance people will fold to my raise or is it just to big a pot?

Anyway 33J9 somehow figured he had odds and takes the pot down with a set of 3s...flop Came As3c7c leaving me with a flöushdraw which i missed.

Here is what they had.


Button: 6789 no suits.

BB1$: 339J-one possible suit .

BB2$: KcKsQc5h (My hand)

BB4$: AKJc7 no suits.

Cutoff: unknown.


Who is favorite? anyone know the odds? Anyone know what odds my hand (KKQ5 one suit) have against any of these hands H-U?


Hope you have some intersting thougts and odds!

/Peppe

Giving the cutoff a random hand:

<PRE>

Omaha, 5-handed, pot 5, cost 1, preflop, full deck, 250000 deals

9s-8h-7d-6c: 21.6% 3:11 (EV +0.08) 20.9% wins 1.3% splits 77.8% losses

Js-9h-3h-3d: 19.8% 1:4 (EV -0.01) 19.6% wins 0.4% splits 79.9% losses

Ks-Kc-Qc-5h: 26.3% 1:3 (EV +0.31) 26.0% wins 0.6% splits 73.4% losses

Ac-Kd-Jh-7s: 15.9% 1:5 (EV -0.20) 15.4% wins 1.0% splits 83.5% losses

</PRE>

Heads-up results are:

<PRE>

Omaha, 2-handed, pot 2, cost 1, preflop, full deck, 1086008 boards

Ks-Kc-Qc-5h: 63.07% 5:3 (EV +0.26) 684928 wins 0 splits 401080 losses

9s-8h-7d-6c: 36.93% 3:5 (EV -0.26) 401080 wins 0 splits 684928 losses

Omaha, 2-handed, pot 2, cost 1, preflop, full deck, 1086008 boards

Ks-Kc-Qc-5h: 68.42% 2:1 (EV +0.37) 742911 wins 183 splits 342914 losses

Js-9h-3h-3d: 31.58% 1:2 (EV -0.37) 342914 wins 183 splits 742911 losses

Omaha, 2-handed, pot 2, cost 1, preflop, full deck, 1086008 boards

Ks-Kc-Qc-5h: 63.87% 7:4 (EV +0.28) 691818 wins 3546 splits 390644 losses

Ac-Kd-Jh-7s: 36.13% 4:7 (EV -0.28) 390644 wins 3546 splits 691818 losses

</PRE>



cu



Ignatius

Thanks for the response but i'm not sure these are accurate, how can there ba a split in omaha when 2 hands doesn't have 2 of the same cards?

/Peppe

Ofcourse!

Do you have a program for counting those odds?

U probably do, and i wouöd find it very useful, can you tell me how to get it, please?

/Peppe

It's a program I've written myself for the Linux operating system (so it won't run under Windows). It can do HE, Omaha, Tahoe, Stud and Draw both high and high/low. I can mail you a copy if you wish.


cu


Ignatius

What is tahoe?

Basically Hold'em with 3 cards, but you can use only 0, 1 or 2 of your cards to make your hand. I used it as a (very) rough approximation of crazy pineapple to avoid the problem of the discard on the flop which would require some arbitrary assumptions in the simulation.


cu


Ignatius

I wonder if you'd mind answering a couple of novice's questions about your sim...


I noticed that when you ran it five handed, there were 250000 deals, but when heads up there were 1086008. Does the later number constitute all possible boards?


When evaluating a poker hand, do you match it against a table of all possible hands, or do you employ an algorithm that evalutes each hand seperately?

> I noticed that when you ran it five handed, there were 250000 deals, but when heads up there were 1086008. Does the later number constitute all possible boards?


Yes. As long as there are no random hands involved and less than 6 cards to be dealt, the program calculates the exact equity by generating all possible combinations of boardcards. When there are random hands, it does a monte-carlo simulation (i.e. random deals) with a default sample of 250000 (which is also the reason why MC results are only given with 3-digits accuracy).


cu


Ignatius

As you can see from some of the posted odds in response to your question the hand was not that big of a favorite. Omaha is a game that does not give large overlays befor the flop. The nature of the game (4 Cards) does not lend itself to large pre-flop advantages. Even Aces Double suited is not more than a 3-2 favorite vs. a number of indescriminate hands i.e. 4 given in your example. Obviously, your raise was designed to narrow the field. However, these raises are often called by a number of players to see the flop. This large raise almost tells the field that you have some large cards in your hand and probably Aces or Kings suited. Unfortunately, if the flop comes with rags players will bet it out since they put you on the above stated hand. The answer to your post is to raise on a number of hands. Personally, I do not like to go all in unless I have an advantage after the flop due to the nature of the game as described earlier. After the flop you have seen 71.4% of the hand. You are in a much better position at this point to make a stand with your all in bet. This strategy would have allowed you to either take the pot when you hit the flop or narrow the field. Any of these scenerios would be good for you in your current chip position. In omaha the statistical overlays come after the flop.