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[Allinlife]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed)

BB ($63.24)
UTG ($21.5)
MP ($24.5)
CO ($40.85)
Button ($31.13)
Hero ($44.5)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG folds, MP calls $0.50, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to $3</font>, Hero (poster) calls $2.75, BB folds, MP calls $2.50.

Flop: ($9.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, MP folds, Button calls $3.

Turn: ($15.50) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, Button calls $8.

River: ($31.50) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $17.13 (All-In).

Final Pot: $58.63

I made the call and was shown the straight, but I thought
odds of him calling with Q was low enough in comparison to 2 pair, bluff, lower set.

I was thinking he would have raised with AQ in that spot..
anyways, should I have check-folded on river?
thanks in advance /images/graemlins/club.gif

[TheGrifter]

No, but you should've moved in on the turn. If you (or your opponent HU) has less than twice the pot, you're pretty sure you're ahead and there are many cards that can beat you, just push them in.

[Allinlife]

thanks for quick response Grifter, but what's that "no" to?
is it to "check-folding river"?

about the push, is it really that wrong to try dragging opponent to pot if you know they are playing terribly against the odds? since this is ring game, and there is no "elimination" risk, which would be more EV+ play in situations like this? (considering 50bb shallow buyin of PP)

[TheGrifter]

Yeah, don't fold on the river for 7 dollars. You also can't check fold after underbetting the turn. This is why you need to put your money in on the turn. You don't know what cards beat you but there are a lot you don't like to see.

Chances are, most people will call you with their crappy draw anyway.

[cornell2005]

bet more on the turn. you dont have to move in (you could pot it and put hte rest in on the river regardless), but you need to bet more than you did. your goal is to get all your money in by the end of the hand so do whatever is necessary. the qustion about check folding the river is a bad one. check folding is far worse than check calling, betting small, and pushing.

[TheGrifter]

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bet more on the turn. you dont have to move in (you could pot it and put hte rest in on the river regardless), but you need to bet more than you did. your goal is to get all your money in by the end of the hand so do whatever is necessary.

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If you pot it, you leave the other guy 10 bucks. If he makes his draw on the end it goes in every time, if he misses his draw it almost never goes in.

[cornell2005]

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If you pot it, you leave the other guy 10 bucks. If he makes his draw on the end it goes in every time, if he misses his draw it almost never goes in.

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imo its more likely that you get extra revenue from a pair hand than lose revenue when he has a draw, calls incorrectly, misses, then folds his last 8 or so. not saying that i disagree with pushing but i dont think its that big a deal

[TheGrifter]

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If you pot it, you leave the other guy 10 bucks. If he makes his draw on the end it goes in every time, if he misses his draw it almost never goes in.

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imo its more likely that you get extra revenue from a pair hand than lose revenue when he has a draw, calls incorrectly, misses, then folds his last 8 or so. not saying that i disagree with pushing but i dont think its that big a deal

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Ehn, either way like you say it doesn't really matter. I don't see too many people calling 15 who won't call 25 but it's not a major point.

[Allinlife]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (10 handed)

MP3 ($25)
CO ($36.7)
Button ($17)
SB ($24.05)
Hero ($58.4)
UTG ($27.95)
UTG+1 ($47.3)
UTG+2 ($11.22)
MP1 ($31.99)
MP2 ($7.5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, <font color="CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $0.75</font>, Hero calls $0.50, MP1 calls $0.50.

Flop: ($3) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, MP1 calls $2.

Turn: ($9) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets $4</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises to $16</font>, SB calls $17.05 (All-In), Hero calls $11.05, MP1 calls $5.05.

River: ($72.15) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
Hero checks, Hero calls $7.94.

Final Pot: $80.09

where did it go wrong /images/graemlins/confused.gif

[bovine]

I don't think you went way wrong, maybe overvaluing the two pair? /images/graemlins/frown.gif
I hate JQ in general.