Slowrolling online

[ThePopinjay]

Such as:
NL200 6 max
Raise 12 with AA.
Guy behind goes all-in for 300.
You have him covered.
Folded back to you.
You say: What ya got?
I think you caught me.
Hmmmm
Oh well, let's gamble.

And click call with 2 seconds left on your timer.


How bad is it?

[Lawrence Ng]

If someone did that you online, how would you feel?

[ThePopinjay]

laugh

[BonJoviJones]

Slows up the game.

[B Dids]

If somebody's donating, keep 'em happy. Slowrolling isn't keeping them happy.

[willie]

eh i did this in a tournametnt a few days ago. his donation period was over so it didn't really matter

i had 89 cc and the flop came 567 rainbow

he was first to act and pushed


let the time run to 2 then called.

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[Toro]

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eh i did this in a tournametnt a few days ago. his donation period was over so it didn't really matter

i had 89 cc and the flop came 567 rainbow

he was first to act and pushed


let the time run to 2 then called.

/images/graemlins/grin.gif

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You're a child.

[TheGrifter]

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eh i did this in a tournametnt a few days ago. his donation period was over so it didn't really matter

i had 89 cc and the flop came 567 rainbow

he was first to act and pushed


let the time run to 2 then called.

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Truly a prick move.

[ThePopinjay]

imo in NL it's worth it because you can really put your opponenet on tilt, thoughts?

[TheGrifter]

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imo in NL it's worth it because you can really put your opponenet on tilt, thoughts?

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Poppin,

It's a dick move, nothing more to be said. You're not going to put people on tilt, you're just going to show off how much of a dick you can be.

[ThePopinjay]

why wouldn't it put someone on tilt?

you are easily going to spark something, at LEAST get them pissed off at you. more emotion = worse play

[Toro]

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why wouldn't it put someone on tilt?

you are easily going to spark something, at LEAST get them pissed off at you. more emotion = worse play

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Just curious. Would you be brave enough to pull the same stunt in a B&M? I'm betting no.

[ThePopinjay]

obviously not, but why not take advantage of being on a computer? we do it all the time with pt

[Toro]

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obviously not, but why not take advantage of being on a computer? we do it all the time with pt

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Because doing something just because you can with no consequences is cowardly, imo.

[ThePopinjay]

actually in a live game there would be times where I'd do it. all i can think of right now though applies to tournaments. first of all it has to be someone u know will not pull a 12 gauge on you in the parking lot. say... phil hellmuth. example: i'm annie duke headsup with phil in the tournament of champions. he has me out chipped 2:1. phil completes in the SB, i have 88 in the BB and check. flop comes 88A, phil goes all-in. i take a really long time to think about this, 5 minutes at least. finally i call, and ask him what you got, and he flips AA. i scream YOU COMPLETED WITH THAT? then after a minute of small tirade flip over my quads. i'd take down the pot and probably the rest of the tournament as there is no way in hell phil would not be tilted

[Toro]

Lol, you're in a fantasy world.

[willie]

never denied it.

i believe he lived to fight another day though.

[TheGrifter]

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actually in a live game there would be times where I'd do it. all i can think of right now though applies to tournaments. first of all it has to be someone u know will not pull a 12 gauge on you in the parking lot. say... phil hellmuth. example: i'm annie duke headsup with phil in the tournament of champions. he has me out chipped 2:1. phil completes in the SB, i have 88 in the BB and check. flop comes 88A, phil goes all-in. i take a really long time to think about this, 5 minutes at least. finally i call, and ask him what you got, and he flips AA. i scream YOU COMPLETED WITH THAT? then after a minute of small tirade flip over my quads. i'd take down the pot and probably the rest of the tournament as there is no way in hell phil would not be tilted

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This has been gone over before. You know, raping someone's wife might put them on tilt too...why not do that.

[B Dids]

Horrible analogy. That's doing something TO that person. Beyond losing the hand and being pissed off, slowrolling doesn't harm the other person.

What I told Pop on IRC was that I think overall it's a -EV move, but that if you find a situation where you think there's postive EV, go for it.

[TheGrifter]

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Horrible analogy. That's doing something TO that person. Beyond losing the hand and being pissed off, slowrolling doesn't harm the other person.

What I told Pop on IRC was that I think overall it's a -EV move, but that if you find a situation where you think there's postive EV, go for it.

[/ QUOTE ]

It's an imperfect analogy yes but my point isn't to equte the two acts. The point is just because something isn't illegal in the game doesn't make it right. Play solid poker, don't resort to stupid tricks and angles to win.

I've been slowrolled many times in live games and each time I've let the person know that if it happens again I will be following them to the parking lot. It's one of my least favorite moves, shows a complete lack of class and anyone who does it a complete scumbag.

Just my opinion.

[Toro]

I think all this talk about +EV with the intention of putting the other player on Tilt is bullshiit. I think players on do this do it for their own amusement and use that +EV stuff as an excuse to cover up the fact that they are asssholes.

[daryn]

ok rape might be a bad analogy but it's at least comparable to verbally insulting someone at the table for no reason, or making fun of their weight problem/baldness/etc. just to put them on tilt.


in other words, dick move. just play solid poker, and leave the games to the kiddies

[B Dids]

It's not something I'd do, just 'cause that's my moral standards. That said, I'm loathe to enforce my morals on other people. If Pop can do it (and I say this knowing him a bit, and knowing that he's a good person) and it doesn't bother him, I'm not going to tell him not to.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Every poker player I've ever run into who regularly pulls stunts like this is a weak and losing player who can't learn how to play well, so he tries to learn how to win with infantile tricks and ploys. These are the moves of a loser, and I've yet to see an exception. So, if you wish to be in that class of players, by all means, continue the BS.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[TheGrifter]

In each sport or activity there is a code of conduct that people are expected to uphold. Slowrolling is a gross violation of the poker code of conduct.

[TheGrifter]

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Every poker player I've ever run into who regularly pulls stunts like this is a weak and losing player who can't learn how to play well, so he tries to learn how to win with infantile tricks and ploys. These are the moves of a loser, and I've yet to see an exception. So, if you wish to be in that class of players, by all means, continue the BS.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

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Well that should just aboud end the discussion.

[B Dids]

You know, in large part I agree with you, but not here.

There are rules to poker, and slowrolling isn't breaking one of them. It's dickish, sure, but I'm not going to view it as something that's 100% wrong. Mostly because I just tend to disagree with any absolute statement. There's no code of conduct that covers all of poker. There are social norms in any situation that are enforced in their own ways, but it's not a black and white issue of something being "correct" or "incorrect".

And while I agree with Greg, he's not any more of an authority on this than anybody else.

[TheGrifter]

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You know, in large part I agree with you, but not here.

There are rules to poker, and slowrolling isn't breaking one of them. It's dickish, sure, but I'm not going to view it as something that's 100% wrong. Mostly because I just tend to disagree with any absolute statement. There's no code of conduct that covers all of poker. There are social norms in any situation that are enforced in their own ways, but it's not a black and white issue of something being "correct" or "incorrect".

And while I agree with Greg, he's not any more of an authority on this than anybody else.

[/ QUOTE ]

My final statement on this is that whenever I've been slowrolled, it really makes me want to kick the guys ass. I think if you're doing things that make people want to kick your ass, you should rethink your actions.

That's all I have to say.

[cornell2005]

dont slowroll. ever.

[daryn]

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You know, in large part I agree with you, but not here.

There are rules to poker, and slowrolling isn't breaking one of them. It's dickish, sure, but I'm not going to view it as something that's 100% wrong. Mostly because I just tend to disagree with any absolute statement. There's no code of conduct that covers all of poker. There are social norms in any situation that are enforced in their own ways, but it's not a black and white issue of something being "correct" or "incorrect".

And while I agree with Greg, he's not any more of an authority on this than anybody else.

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My final statement on this is that whenever I've been slowrolled, it really makes me want to kick the guys ass. I think if you're doing things that make people want to kick your ass, you should rethink your actions.

That's all I have to say.

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now THIS should end the thread. common sense.

[TylerD]

wanker.

[mike l.]

interesting.

one thought: if youre raising to $12 and then someone behind you is pushing all in for $300 it can mean one of two things. one: they are stupid and dont understand the game. or two: they are good and have watched you play and think you will call with all sorts of bad hands they have beat when they push all in into a small pot.

hope that helps.

[JTG51]

Why would you want to make someone, especially someone that you don't even know, unhappy?

[Michael Davis]

If you've ever worked any job where you find yourself frequently on the phone, you know that this is a common psychological problem.

-Michael

[34TheTruth34]

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If you've ever worked any job...

[/ QUOTE ]

you can stop right there, JTG doesn't know what you're talking about

[Neil Stevens]

Well if by "frequently on the phone" you mean "frequently sending telephone spam," you shouldn't be surprised at abuse.

[Michael Davis]

There are lots of people who just answer calls.

-Michael

[JTG51]

[ QUOTE ]
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If you've ever worked any job...

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you can stop right there, JTG doesn't know what you're talking about

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LOL. Not exactly true, but still funny.

[TheGrifter]

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Well if by "frequently on the phone" you mean "frequently sending telephone spam," you shouldn't be surprised at abuse.

[/ QUOTE ]

I was a telemarketer and I very rarely got any negativity on the phone. The people who get abused are those who are bad at their jobs.

[Peter]

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I've been slowrolled many times in live games and each time I've let the person know that if it happens again I will be following them to the parking lot.

[/ QUOTE ]

You really think he's going to give you a ride?

[dr_zorba]

[ QUOTE ]
If someone did that you online, how would you feel?

[/ QUOTE ]
Catching up on old posts, I find this thread. I know it's doubtful that someone will answer at this late day, BUT -- I DON'T UNDERSTAND EVERYONE'S PROBLEM!

As I understand the scenario, I pushed in and somebody with pocket aces takes a full minute to call, so therefore I'm looking for somebody to beat up? If I have it right, you are all nuts.
How do you know if maybe he was having connect problems, or the cat knocked over his drink, or whatthefuk is going on with his computer?? What if he is just momentarily distracted, or busy yelling at the kids??
As for typing in psycho messages that cannot affect my play (I am ALLin) who cares if somebody acted like an imbecile before he busted you with AA? Doesn't matter anymore to you does it? Joker will suffer the consequences by becoming a target for the remainder of the game. Again, no skin off your nose.
Maybe you guys should take up boxing?

[gcoutu]

If you slowrolled me in a casino and made a big deal of it. I would remain calm, take your chips, and then likely follow you out of the casino for an intense ass kicking. It is lame and you should be punished for doing it to anyone.

I don't mind table talk or trash talking for that matter, but don't slowroll. That is the oldest rule in the book and I have seen people do it and pay dearly for it. Would hate to think that people on this forum would stoop that low.

[stinkypete]

[ QUOTE ]
eh i did this in a tournametnt a few days ago. his donation period was over so it didn't really matter

i had 89 cc and the flop came 567 rainbow

he was first to act and pushed


let the time run to 2 then called.

/images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]

i hope your connection goes down next time you try to pull that off.

[Subby]

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i hope your connection goes down next time you try to pull that off.

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Hahahahaha. Now from an unintentional comedy perspective, that would be +ev /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Aceshigh7]

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Such as:
NL200 6 max
Raise 12 with AA.
Guy behind goes all-in for 300.
You have him covered.
Folded back to you.
You say: What ya got?
I think you caught me.
Hmmmm
Oh well, let's gamble.

And click call with 2 seconds left on your timer.


How bad is it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Pocket aces don't always win. Would be funny as hell watching you get your aces cracked after pulling something like that.

[SCfuji]

the next time you are in this situation, i suggest you call immediately. even if the delay is only for 20 seconds, the internet could freakishly disconnect on you at anytime.

[Tosh]

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laugh

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Hmmm....

[Homer]

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If you slowrolled me in a casino and made a big deal of it. I would remain calm, take your chips, and then likely follow you out of the casino for an intense ass kicking. It is lame and you should be punished for doing it to anyone.

I don't mind table talk or trash talking for that matter, but don't slowroll. That is the oldest rule in the book and I have seen people do it and pay dearly for it. Would hate to think that people on this forum would stoop that low.

[/ QUOTE ]

Yet you would stoop lower...

[Kurn, son of Mogh]

nm

[JordanIB]

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Such as:
NL200 6 max
Raise 12 with AA.
Guy behind goes all-in for 300.
You have him covered.
Folded back to you.
You say: What ya got?
I think you caught me.
Hmmmm
Oh well, let's gamble.

And click call with 2 seconds left on your timer.


How bad is it?

[/ QUOTE ]

Pocket aces don't always win. Would be funny as hell watching you get your aces cracked after pulling something like that.

[/ QUOTE ]

Stole the thought, words, and post right out of my mind /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[-Syk-]

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I've been slowrolled many times in live games and each time I've let the person know that if it happens again I will be following them to the parking lot.

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Threats of physical harm.. Much better than slowrolling. I agree though, slowrolling is a cheap shot used by rude assholes.