Stats for Starting Hands

[jaeon]

i know how to calculate outs post-flop, but i don't know how to figure out pre-flop what my odds are. i found some cool EV stats at www.pokerroom.com (http://www.pokerroom.com) that give EV data for each starting hand based on actual play on their site. however, I am looking for stats on the percentage of time each hold em starting hand holds up at the end with n players, with no consideration for "intelligent" play, i.e., with all players showing down their cards to the bitter end. i know i could deal out 1000s of hands, or try to write a simulation program, but i was hoping someone could save me the trouble.

thanks. you guys are awesome. i've already learned so much lurking here.

[uuDevil]

I think you want Gocee. (http://gocee.com/poker/HE_Value.htm)

[jaeon]

YES!! thank you. i've been looking for this for weeks. you rule.