LOL (low content)

[bicyclekick]

I just raised UTG with AQs and a 30vp 10pfr guy 3 bet from the co, all fold to me and I cap and he folds.

Never seen taht before. I hope he hit the wrong button? I've raised pf and folded to a 3 bet before, but 3 bet and fold for 1 more bet? He's getting almost 9-1...damn. Not a thinker.

[Bukem_]

People at interpoker do this all the time for one bet.

They limp in... I raise.. they fold.

It's ok with me.

[bicyclekick]

That's way different.

[cnfuzzd]

but what hand would someone go three bets with but not four. This example is *way* different.

peace

john nickle

[Biff M.]

I like it when this occurs:

Player1 bet for 400
Player2 went all-in for 410
Player1 folded

[bweiser8311962]

This actually happened to me ... Guy was in the big blind for 400 and had about 5000 in chips. I raised all in to 680 ... he folded. I just laughed. I said, 'You have to call there with the chips you have with any two cards. It's 280 more to call and maybe knock me out.' His response: 'I don't have to call. I didn't want to double you up.' LOL

[bicyclekick]

Damn you guys are really fricking good at coming up with [censored] that is so unrelated.

blind of 400, raise to 680 doesn't seem like an auto call?

That's only 5 to 1. Would you want to call with 62o? I wouldn't.

[cnfuzzd]

remember bicycle, no one understands you like i do. Just keep that in mind,

peace

john nickle

[joker122]

Like everyone else said that's way different. Also, that never happens either.

[Richard Berg]

[ QUOTE ]
That's only 5 to 1. Would you want to call with 62o? I wouldn't.

[/ QUOTE ]
You should, and it's not close.

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
2c 6d 541860 31.65 1161850 67.85 8594 0.50 0.319
As Ks 1161850 67.85 541860 31.65 8594 0.50 0.681
(2:1)

2c 6d 239329 13.98 1466746 85.66 6229 0.36 0.142
As Ah 1466746 85.66 239329 13.98 6229 0.36 0.858
(6:1)

2c 6d 482892 28.20 1184163 69.16 45249 2.64 0.295
4s 4h 1184163 69.16 482892 28.20 45249 2.64 0.705
(2.4:1)
</pre><hr />
An all-in raise from a very short stack rarely means a pair, and even when it does you're not far behind.

[Lawrence Ng]

In the words of my illustrious and drunk Mentor and I quote, "Shut the [censored] up and take the money." End quote. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Hey, a win is a win is a win. Take it anyway you can.

[bicyclekick]

It really depends if it's a tourney or not. By the way he posted it, I thought it was, and I'd rather not make slightly +EV plays when I feel I can make ones with a much larger expectation later.

[Richard Berg]

I'm not a tourney player, but my first instinct is that it makes calling more important. I'd usually pay 0.5BB for a 30% chance of knocking someone out even if I didn't get to keep their chips!

[Sponger15SB]

[ QUOTE ]
I like it when this occurs:

Player1 bet for 400
Player2 went all-in for 410
Player1 folded

[/ QUOTE ]

Can anyone find the el diablo post where he bets the guys entire stack but one cent, the other player goes all in and el diablo folds getting something like 1,700-1

That had me rolling.

[JTG51]

A player at my table did the same thing in a B&amp;M 10-20 game a couple of years ago. UTG raised, EP 3-bet, UTG 4-bet and EP folded JJ face up saying, "I'm not going to play against Aces."

UTG showed his Aces and most of the rest of the table was amazed by EP's hand reading prowess.

[bicyclekick]

I'm just glad this time I had AQs (nudges those players that gave me crap for not capping JJ against JimmyV)

[umdpoker]

wow. were they amazed at his ability to not understand odds?
please tell me a j hit the flop. or even better, 2!

[Tosh]

[ QUOTE ]

That's only 5 to 1. Would you want to call with 62o? I wouldn't.

[/ QUOTE ]

Not that it was a good example but you should call.

[Tosh]

Against that player a cap seems a little dubious to me.

[sthief09]

what's with the cap preflop?


and at a club in NYC one night I had a "any 2 will do" guy open muck to me twice on the turn after I bet the flop

[bdk3clash]

[ QUOTE ]
This actually happened to me ... Guy was in the big blind for 400 and had about 5000 in chips. I raised all in to 680 ... he folded. I just laughed. I said, 'You have to call there with the chips you have with any two cards. It's 280 more to call and maybe knock me out.' His response: 'I don't have to call. I didn't want to double you up.' LOL

[/ QUOTE ]

Hooray for free lessons. Maybe he'll play better in the future. Awesome!

[MicroBob]

This was my thought as well.


[ QUOTE ]
I said, 'You have to call there with the chips you have with any two cards. It's 280 more to call and maybe knock me out.'

[/ QUOTE ]


Why on earth would you tell him this?
This is even dumber than 3-betting it PF and folding to a cap.

[bicyclekick]

I've been experimenting with capping with hands that aren't regularily capped. It honestly seems to be easier to make the right decision post flop and gives them a bigger chance to fold. If they have JJ and the flop comes down KT2 they are going to fold a lot more than if they 3 bet and I called.

I don't know if it's the right idea or not, but I've just been trying it. Clark and others got on my case for not capping JJ vs jimmyV which sprouted this experiment.

/EDIT i do this far more with players who have a high folds on the flop and turn %. If they have a real low number I often dont.

[MicroBob]

[ QUOTE ]
i do this far more with players who have a high folds on the flop and turn %. If they have a real low number I often dont.


[/ QUOTE ]


If you are being pretty selective of the players you try this against then I think it is +EV to get hyper-aggro on them and really force the issue.

The problem, of course, comes when you have to show-down a hand and they start to see that your capping standards should not be feared as much. But this probably isn't that much of a problem because the high % fold guys on flop or turn are probably playing something in the fit-or-fold range and may not be sophisticated enough to make the appropriate adjustments.

I would just be careful not to wear-out this strategy because then you are practically FORCING your opponents to make appropriate adjustments.
So, after you show-down something and get told in the chat-box 'LOL, I can't believe you capped PF with that' (or otherwise think you have been noticed) I would suggest dialing back the hyper-aggro on them and playing more 'normally'.

Just my general first ideas on this idea.

[Cerril]

The closest I've come is the far more mundane bluff-raise scenario on the turn or the river (and occasionally the flop) where they bet, I raise, they reraise, I cap (thinking I might be beat), they fold (apparently not).

But to do it PF with a three-bettable hand, that's spatial.

[haakee]

Uh, there was no flop because he folded, dude.

This must've been in Vegas where many people believe that displaying your rockiness is more important than gaining a rudimentary understanding of pot equity.

[bicyclekick]

Perhaps they wont respect my cap as much. It'll really keep em guessing more then at least? Because I'll still be capping my AA, KK, AKs, AKo, QQ and other hands somteimes too so maybe I'll get paid off a little more?

Maybe I"m just turning into a crazy lag. Time will tell.

[JTG51]

[ QUOTE ]
Uh, there was no flop because he folded, dude.

This must've been in Vegas where many people believe that displaying your rockiness is more important than gaining a rudimentary understanding of pot equity.

[/ QUOTE ]

It was actually Foxwoods, but those games were nearly as rocky as Vegas back then.