04-08-2002, 11:17 AM
hello -
just having my first venture in the Paradise pl/nl games.
mostly been playing the PL Omaha games and for action
the $10/20/30 NL Hold'Em Singe Table Tournaments.
Suffered some bad beats (specially in Omaha - where suckers with
low sets will commit their whole stack to catch a pair with one card
to come even if there is both a 3 card straight and a flush on the board).
The level is sometimes appaling (specially in the NL comps: people
will go all-in preflop with KJ and get knocked out on the first hand) -
sometimes well above average. Just as in a live game.
Put in my initial deposit on Friday ($60), built up to over $300
on the first night, over $700 (!) on Saturday and then the cards
(or rather the river pairs) and tiredness
catched up with my on Sunday night so I am
now down to $450.
Still that's 9 times the initial investment in 2 days/nights.
Rigged - don't look like that to me. Most players respond when
you chat with them. You have a choice - folding is always an
option. The bad beats are "normal" - I had one guy screaming
at me for betting all-in with AA910 when I had both the straight
and flush draw on the flop. He had flopped trip 8's. I won
the sizeable pot) on the river when I spiked one of the
Aces to win with trip Aces. A bad beat for him - sure must have
looked like it but I had a massive draw as well. He just saw the
A at the end through his steam.
Lessons learnt -
- be prepared for the worst
- don't play when you are too tired. I re-raised the pot in Omaha
on the river with what I thought was the nuts. It was not - I just
had the 2nd highest straight possible. I played shitty 3-card hands and lost.
I would never do this when alert and awake.
- the player notes is a superb thing
- I play too many pots compared to the live games
according to the stats. it should be the opposite.
this is strange? it should be easier to pass preflop when
you play that many more hands pr hour (must be some sort of
"computer game" phenomena).
- once you have a big stack it might be sensible to take that profit
and a little break as well.
- the NL tournaments must be a money spinner for really good players.
I made the final 3 in 6 out of my 10 tournaments. And I am _not_
very good tournament player.
* stay away from limit play (the americans are good at this)
* play your strongest game
* watch the quality of the cards
* _believe_ the other players when they fire at the pot.
I must have dumped at least a hundred dollars (possibly two) in
pots where there was a 3 card flush on the flop and I had
2nd,3rd or 4th nuts on the flop. this is a massive weakness of mine
which I did not know was so prevalent before playing online. For
some reason I do not believe that anyone can have a better flush.
They very often do.
* keep good notes and discipline
* bad beats are normal. they happen. the board will pair on the river when you do not want it to. you will never make that heart flush (true for me!). make sure the bad beats only happen
when you have the best of it (see included hand where I get beat
by a guy holding 224T - holding on to the lowest set possible
throughout the whole hand - but he got away with it).
* don't "target" players who give you a bad beat. the next time
they just might have the goods ...
(this is extremly hard for me to avoid after bad beats).
If you stick to the above I think a healthy profit is possible.
I know - it's my first week on PP PL/NL.
I have seen some bad stories about
PP on the net but my fluctations can all be explained and I _have_
played too many hands and I could probably have been at least
another couple of hundred dollars up with a little bit more of sense
in some of the big pots (or indeed keeping potsizes down instead of
betting when I had massive draws).
OmaHal
$260 pot Beat - this will happen to you as well: be prepared
(some of the players names have been changed).
OK maybe I should not have check-raised the turn. But you
can't be to transparent either.
Game #174783181 - (blinds $0.50/$1) Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2002/04/07-20:19:20 (CST)
Table "Curacao" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Kikaida ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 2: FastWilly ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Gamil ($223.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Jim Bob ($99 in chips)
Seat 5: WOOGIE_BEAR ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Alyssa ($252.25 in chips)
Seat 7: crooks_vegas ($99.25 in chips)
Seat 8: OmaHal ($109 in chips)
Seat 9: $$ No1 $$ ($104.75 in chips)
Seat 10: myohoguy ($94.50 in chips)
crooks_vegas : Post Small Blind ($0.50)
OmaHal : Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to OmaHal [ 9c ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ 8c ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ Ah ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ 8h ]
$$ No1 $$: Call ($1)
myohoguy: Call ($1)
Kikaida : Fold
FastWilly: Fold
Gamil : Call ($1)
Jim Bob : Fold
WOOGIE_BEAR: Call ($1)
Alyssa : Call ($1)
crooks_vegas : Call ($0.50)
OmaHal : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 6h 5h 2d ]
crooks_vegas : Check
OmaHal : Check
$$ No1 $$: Check
myohoguy: Check
Gamil : Check
WOOGIE_BEAR: Bet ($7)
Alyssa : Call ($7)
crooks_vegas : Call ($7)
OmaHal : Call ($7)
$$ No1 $$: Fold
myohoguy: Fold
Gamil : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 6h 5h 2d ] [ 7c ]
crooks_vegas : Check
OmaHal : Check
WOOGIE_BEAR: Bet ($35)
Alyssa : Fold
crooks_vegas : Call ($35)
OmaHal : Raise ($101)
WOOGIE_BEAR: Call All-in ($11.50)
crooks_vegas : Call All-in ($56.25)
*** RIVER *** : [ 6h 5h 2d 7c ] [ 6d ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $171.50 | Side pot 1: $89.50 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 6h 5h 2d 7c 6d ]
Kikaida didn't bet (folded)
FastWilly didn't bet (folded)
Gamil lost $1 (folded)
Jim Bob didn't bet (folded)
WOOGIE_BEAR lost $54.50 (showed hand) [ 3s 5s 4c Qd ] (a straight, three to seven)
Alyssa lost $8 (folded)
crooks_vegas bet $99.25, collected $261, net +$161.75 (showed hand) [ 2s 2h 4s Tc ] (a full house, twos full of sixes)
OmaHal bet $109, collected $9.75, net -$99.25 (showed hand) [ 9c 8c Ah 8h ] (a straight, five to nine)
$$ No1 $$ lost $1 (folded)
myohoguy lost $1 (folded)
just having my first venture in the Paradise pl/nl games.
mostly been playing the PL Omaha games and for action
the $10/20/30 NL Hold'Em Singe Table Tournaments.
Suffered some bad beats (specially in Omaha - where suckers with
low sets will commit their whole stack to catch a pair with one card
to come even if there is both a 3 card straight and a flush on the board).
The level is sometimes appaling (specially in the NL comps: people
will go all-in preflop with KJ and get knocked out on the first hand) -
sometimes well above average. Just as in a live game.
Put in my initial deposit on Friday ($60), built up to over $300
on the first night, over $700 (!) on Saturday and then the cards
(or rather the river pairs) and tiredness
catched up with my on Sunday night so I am
now down to $450.
Still that's 9 times the initial investment in 2 days/nights.
Rigged - don't look like that to me. Most players respond when
you chat with them. You have a choice - folding is always an
option. The bad beats are "normal" - I had one guy screaming
at me for betting all-in with AA910 when I had both the straight
and flush draw on the flop. He had flopped trip 8's. I won
the sizeable pot) on the river when I spiked one of the
Aces to win with trip Aces. A bad beat for him - sure must have
looked like it but I had a massive draw as well. He just saw the
A at the end through his steam.
Lessons learnt -
- be prepared for the worst
- don't play when you are too tired. I re-raised the pot in Omaha
on the river with what I thought was the nuts. It was not - I just
had the 2nd highest straight possible. I played shitty 3-card hands and lost.
I would never do this when alert and awake.
- the player notes is a superb thing
- I play too many pots compared to the live games
according to the stats. it should be the opposite.
this is strange? it should be easier to pass preflop when
you play that many more hands pr hour (must be some sort of
"computer game" phenomena).
- once you have a big stack it might be sensible to take that profit
and a little break as well.
- the NL tournaments must be a money spinner for really good players.
I made the final 3 in 6 out of my 10 tournaments. And I am _not_
very good tournament player.
* stay away from limit play (the americans are good at this)
* play your strongest game
* watch the quality of the cards
* _believe_ the other players when they fire at the pot.
I must have dumped at least a hundred dollars (possibly two) in
pots where there was a 3 card flush on the flop and I had
2nd,3rd or 4th nuts on the flop. this is a massive weakness of mine
which I did not know was so prevalent before playing online. For
some reason I do not believe that anyone can have a better flush.
They very often do.
* keep good notes and discipline
* bad beats are normal. they happen. the board will pair on the river when you do not want it to. you will never make that heart flush (true for me!). make sure the bad beats only happen
when you have the best of it (see included hand where I get beat
by a guy holding 224T - holding on to the lowest set possible
throughout the whole hand - but he got away with it).
* don't "target" players who give you a bad beat. the next time
they just might have the goods ...
(this is extremly hard for me to avoid after bad beats).
If you stick to the above I think a healthy profit is possible.
I know - it's my first week on PP PL/NL.
I have seen some bad stories about
PP on the net but my fluctations can all be explained and I _have_
played too many hands and I could probably have been at least
another couple of hundred dollars up with a little bit more of sense
in some of the big pots (or indeed keeping potsizes down instead of
betting when I had massive draws).
OmaHal
$260 pot Beat - this will happen to you as well: be prepared
(some of the players names have been changed).
OK maybe I should not have check-raised the turn. But you
can't be to transparent either.
Game #174783181 - (blinds $0.50/$1) Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2002/04/07-20:19:20 (CST)
Table "Curacao" (real money) -- Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: Kikaida ($19.75 in chips)
Seat 2: FastWilly ($100 in chips)
Seat 3: Gamil ($223.75 in chips)
Seat 4: Jim Bob ($99 in chips)
Seat 5: WOOGIE_BEAR ($54.50 in chips)
Seat 6: Alyssa ($252.25 in chips)
Seat 7: crooks_vegas ($99.25 in chips)
Seat 8: OmaHal ($109 in chips)
Seat 9: $$ No1 $$ ($104.75 in chips)
Seat 10: myohoguy ($94.50 in chips)
crooks_vegas : Post Small Blind ($0.50)
OmaHal : Post Big Blind ($1)
Dealing...
Dealt to OmaHal [ 9c ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ 8c ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ Ah ]
Dealt to OmaHal [ 8h ]
$$ No1 $$: Call ($1)
myohoguy: Call ($1)
Kikaida : Fold
FastWilly: Fold
Gamil : Call ($1)
Jim Bob : Fold
WOOGIE_BEAR: Call ($1)
Alyssa : Call ($1)
crooks_vegas : Call ($0.50)
OmaHal : Check
*** FLOP *** : [ 6h 5h 2d ]
crooks_vegas : Check
OmaHal : Check
$$ No1 $$: Check
myohoguy: Check
Gamil : Check
WOOGIE_BEAR: Bet ($7)
Alyssa : Call ($7)
crooks_vegas : Call ($7)
OmaHal : Call ($7)
$$ No1 $$: Fold
myohoguy: Fold
Gamil : Fold
*** TURN *** : [ 6h 5h 2d ] [ 7c ]
crooks_vegas : Check
OmaHal : Check
WOOGIE_BEAR: Bet ($35)
Alyssa : Fold
crooks_vegas : Call ($35)
OmaHal : Raise ($101)
WOOGIE_BEAR: Call All-in ($11.50)
crooks_vegas : Call All-in ($56.25)
*** RIVER *** : [ 6h 5h 2d 7c ] [ 6d ]
*** SUMMARY ***
Pot: $171.50 | Side pot 1: $89.50 | Rake: $3
Board: [ 6h 5h 2d 7c 6d ]
Kikaida didn't bet (folded)
FastWilly didn't bet (folded)
Gamil lost $1 (folded)
Jim Bob didn't bet (folded)
WOOGIE_BEAR lost $54.50 (showed hand) [ 3s 5s 4c Qd ] (a straight, three to seven)
Alyssa lost $8 (folded)
crooks_vegas bet $99.25, collected $261, net +$161.75 (showed hand) [ 2s 2h 4s Tc ] (a full house, twos full of sixes)
OmaHal bet $109, collected $9.75, net -$99.25 (showed hand) [ 9c 8c Ah 8h ] (a straight, five to nine)
$$ No1 $$ lost $1 (folded)
myohoguy lost $1 (folded)