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Zim
10-13-2004, 03:58 AM
I like systems.

I like Skalansky`s all-in system, I like 1-800`s quasi all-in system, and ...

I`m messing up my turn and river play.

Rather than fix it, I figure I might as well just eliminate it.

If you were to go all-in on the flop, what starting hands would you play, what criteria would you use, and what stack size would you play with?

My simple answer, standard tight play (pairs, AK, AQ), all in with TPTK or better, max buy in (100 BBs)

Cheers!
Zim

Dov
10-13-2004, 04:07 AM
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I like systems.

I like Skalansky`s all-in system, I like 1-800`s quasi all-in system, and ...

I`m messing up my turn and river play.

Rather than fix it, I figure I might as well just eliminate it.

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Learn how to play blackjack or change your attitude.

This track will not work in poker. People adapt too quickly.

Tournaments are short. Ring games go forever. If you play by a 'system' that isn't flexible because you are ignorant, you will lose everything you put in the middle.

It won't take that long, either.

Sorry for being harsh, but I think you need to hear it.

Dov

pzhon
10-13-2004, 08:08 AM
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I like systems.


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Learn how to play blackjack or change your attitude.

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It's funny that you mention blackjack. I made two systems (http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/blackjackguy/vpost?id=2247) for the Online Blackjack Guide. The target audience is online blackjack players who would like to be able to take advantage of poker bonuses. One system is for playing NL with a short stack, about 10 BB. I tested the system on Party's NL $25 and fairly consistently got my chips in as a favorite, more than enough to pay for the blinds.

It is important to have a short stack because that simplifies play. It is not a huge leak to push or fold preflop outside the big blind. Also, many curious people limp/called with hands as bad as 82o, or found themselves pot-committed after raising with junk. It is easier to value-bet with a small stack.

Extending this to deeper stacks and flop play is hard. I've thought about it, and I don't see how to make it work. If you make small preflop raises, you can get crushed by any pocket pair behind you. If you make large preflop raises, you are either too exposed or you are too tight and blind off.

Iceman
10-13-2004, 08:44 AM
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I like systems.

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If you just want to follow a strategy card, then play blackjack, because you'll lose at poker if you can't adjust to different situations and opponents.

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I like Skalansky`s all-in system,

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It's an interesting thought experiment, but it doesn't work in real-life. It's one thing in a $10,000 buy-in tournament where many players will be overly tight and passive on the early rounds because they don't want to risk going home quickly after plunking down $10K (allowing you to steal more than your share of blinds and gradually build your stack). But online, the System won't work since people will call your all-ins much too often. And now that people are aware of the System, if they realize what you're doing they will counter it.

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I`m messing up my turn and river play.

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Then work on your game. Or don't play no-limit.