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Manimal
10-12-2004, 11:38 AM
I've seen it thrown around a couple times, and have no idea what it means. Anyone know?

Kurn, son of Mogh
10-12-2004, 02:17 PM
Do you mean 2nd *nut* low?

Demana
10-12-2004, 03:41 PM
I think the question revolves around playing preflop.

As in, UTG raises (or calls) and UTG+1 just calls with AA, looking for someone else to raise before they raise themselves.

btw - In bridge, second hand low means that you intentionally play a low card so that you don't take a trick that partner would have taken.

MarkL444
10-12-2004, 04:32 PM
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I think the question revolves around playing preflop.

As in, UTG raises (or calls) and UTG+1 just calls with AA, looking for someone else to raise before they raise themselves.

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Umm.. No.

Its "second nut low". Its for games where the low hand wins either all or half the pot. If you have the second nut low, you have the second best possible low hand at that point.

illunious
10-12-2004, 05:46 PM
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Umm.. No.

Its "second nut low". Its for games where the low hand wins either all or half the pot. If you have the second nut low, you have the second best possible low hand at that point.

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I think Demana's description of "Second Hand Low" was correct. It's a new one for me, I saw it a few times on the WPT forum lately. link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=1118961&page=1&view=c ollapsed&sb=5&o=14&vc=1)

Manimal
10-12-2004, 07:32 PM
I was asking about second hand low, not second nut low.

The post that made me ask about it was this one, by betgo:

"Not to mention the discussion in another thread of how Doyle got two players allin against his AA in the PSI. I think playing second hand low with Gus Hanson to his left was an excellent move."

shawn_p
10-12-2004, 08:02 PM
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think the question revolves around playing preflop.

As in, UTG raises (or calls) and UTG+1 just calls with AA, looking for someone else to raise before they raise themselves.

btw - In bridge, second hand low means that you intentionally play a low card so that you don't take a trick that partner would have taken.



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This is how TJ Cloutier describes second hand low in Championship Pot Limit and No Limit Hold 'Em.

Demana
10-12-2004, 08:02 PM
That is the post that I derived my answer from.

Maybe it is a fancier name for a slowplay, like when you flop a monster and want to trap the field for extra bets with a check/raise.

BlueBear
10-13-2004, 01:13 PM
Everybody here has got it all wrong, "second hand low" is a saying in the card game of bridge when it is generally correct for the declarer to play a low card from the dummy after a opening lead from the defenders. "second hand low, third hand high" is generally true and that message is constantly emphasized for beginning players.

PseudoPserious
10-13-2004, 01:58 PM
That is definitely true.

However, in poker "second hand low" refers to just calling in early position with AA preflop in hopes of popping a late position raiser. It's discussed briefly in TJ Cloutier's PL/NL HE book, towards the end in one of the practice hand discussions.

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