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03-07-2002, 04:13 AM
Here's the situation: I am against this guy who loves to bluff and yet seems to have the cards when it matters. He somehow goads me into these big hands where he has the nuts(or just best hand possible) and I have something pretty good. Other times he has nothing and throws out loads of money. Typically, I take his money all night and then he buys back in and desperately tries to sweep up as much money as possible before everyone leaves by bluffing and milking hands. This involves a lot of rivered flushes against heavy opposition. We call him the back-door whore(pardon my language) Usually right before I leave at night he bluffs trying to buy the blinds and annoy the h-ll out me.


We are playing no limit except $5 cap which is big for us college kids. It is late. This is the last hand for the night and he has been busy last 15 min trying to milk the last money out of the people who were trying to leave. He was down a couple dollars and I made him buy in again earlier. We usually start with $10.


Anyway the hand: He bets .75 on the pre-flop which I took to meaning he was just trying to buy the last blinds up or maybe goad me into a dollar or two. Usually he doubles up on pairs so he could have one I supposed. I had Kx and wanted to see this bluff that I anticipated. I called. The flop was Kxx, xx being low non-suited. I had top pair. He bet another .75. I raised him .75. turn was another low-suit-unimportant card. He bet $1. I raised him a $1. He calls. The river is a Q. Which apparently was cool for him or something and he bet $5. That is a huge bet considering we start with 10. I was up 8-10 bucks for the night so far. There was now a relatively large pot waiting for my call or fold. ya know what? I figured this guy was probably bluffing and tried to scare the pot from me with the max raise. He knows I am very timid with raises like this since he has smoked me before but not in a situation like this. Earlier he bluffed me successfully when I had pocket JJ which were higher that anything on the board except there was 99 on board and I was scared of trips or fullhouse. He had made a huge bet and I folded the best hand to his runt. That was a good bluff so I wondered what he figured I would do. He knew I hated him for bluffing me out of the big pot. so anyway. Guess what this guy had? pocket QQ!. I called his $5 dollars figuring I would still be even if I lost or up 16 if I won(pretty good off of $10, i think).


What I can't figure out is why this guy would put up this serious money in hope of another Q popping up like it did on the river. He knew there was a king on the board and I was doubling his raises trying to fold him. Was I wrong to call him? Did he pull the perfect bluff? Or is he crazy-lucky or just plain crazy? I really need some advice. I don't have much choice who I play with since the closest casino is 2 hours away and I don't have a car or anyone who is of age AND wants to gamble.

03-07-2002, 05:47 AM
Don't take it personally, but I wouldn't call a FOR SURE bluff with Kxo in no-limit. I guess you had to call on the end, since you read him as a perpetual bluffer (but he would be HARD pressed to bluff after you raised him twice). With a player like this you're better off waiting to trap him with a strong hand.


-MD

03-07-2002, 08:23 AM
Gotta agree with MD.


You've taken his stack once this session - just sit back and keep it!

03-07-2002, 11:27 AM
> I had top pair. He bet another .75. I raised him .75.


If you've decided that your top-pair-no-kicker is good, then you have to raise more (e.g. a pot-sized raise of $3) in an attempt to take down the pot, or at least to destroy his implied odds if he calls with a weaker hand. No wonder that he sucks out on a regular basis if you never give him the opportunity to fold.


btw: Problem here is, that you never know if your top-pair-no-kicker is good as he could very well have tried this steal with a KJ type of hand, which is precisely the reason why you should probably never have called his preflop raise in the first place. However, once you decided to play and got the best flop you realistically could hope for, you have to go for it, esp. since you correctly read him for a pocket pair.


cu


Ignatius

03-14-2002, 12:03 PM
"where he has the nuts(or just best hand possible)"


uhhhh....

03-28-2002, 03:34 AM
fast eddie. what is the point of your response? What are you trying to say? For some reason I doubt it was meant to be constructive criticism.

03-29-2002, 04:32 PM
Well, I think he is (not so?) subtely pointing out that "the nuts" and "best hand possible" are the same thing.


So that would not be "constructive criticism", but grammatical critisism perhaps? Since he is pointing out that your sentence is redundant(or just saying the same thing twice).


Later,

Treefrog


Slayer80 wrote:

"where he has the nuts(or just best hand possible)"


fast eddie replied:

uhhhh....


Slayer80 asks:

fast eddie. what is the point of your response? What are you trying to say? For some reason I

doubt it was meant to be constructive criticism.

04-03-2002, 10:26 AM