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LinusKS
10-08-2004, 08:36 PM
I'm going to post the results from my weekend.

My goal is 40 games before midnight Sunday. I'll post as much as I can, and try to keep a running tally of ITM and ROI.

LinusKS
10-08-2004, 09:02 PM
Oops. That should have gone out about an hour ago.



Anyway, I've got two games so far, for a 2nd and an OTM.

50% ITM
25% ROI
$6.75/game
$13.50 profit

Here are the final hands from each game.


PokerStars Game #754447055: Tournament #2951639, Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2004/10/08 - 20:15:57 (ET)
Table '2951639 1' Seat #9 is the button
Seat 8: Kelocity (10776 in chips)
Seat 9: LinusK (2724 in chips)
Kelocity: posts the ante 50
LinusK: posts the ante 50
LinusK: posts small blind 300
Kelocity: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LinusK [Kc 4d]
LinusK: raises 2074 to 2674 and is all-in
Kelocity: calls 2074
*** FLOP *** [8c 6s 3s]
*** TURN *** [8c 6s 3s] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [8c 6s 3s Qd] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Kelocity: shows [2h 2s] (a pair of Deuces)
LinusK: shows [Kc 4d] (high card King)
Kelocity collected 5448 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5448 | Rake 0
Board [8c 6s 3s Qd Jc]
Seat 8: Kelocity (big blind) showed [2h 2s] and won (5448) with a pair of Deuces
Seat 9: LinusK (button) (small blind) showed [Kc 4d] and lost with high card King.

*************

PokerStars Game #754358046: Tournament #2951428, Hold'em No Limit - Level VI (100/200) - 2004/10/08 - 19:39:49 (ET)
Table '2951428 1' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 2: sharks1 (3200 in chips)
Seat 3: Willis T (1785 in chips)
Seat 5: Tmy_Maddox (3250 in chips)
Seat 6: LinusK (1670 in chips)
Seat 7: Regality (970 in chips)
Seat 8: DTR2 (2625 in chips)
sharks1: posts small blind 100
Willis T: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to LinusK [Ac Jh]
Tmy_Maddox: folds
LinusK: raises 400 to 600
Regality: folds
DTR2: raises 2025 to 2625 and is all-in
sharks1: folds
Willis T: folds
LinusK: calls 1070 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [2c 2h 5c]
*** TURN *** [2c 2h 5c] [2s]
*** RIVER *** [2c 2h 5c 2s] [7s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
LinusK: shows [Ac Jh] (three of a kind, Deuces)
DTR2: shows [Th Td] (a full house, Deuces full of Tens)
DTR2 collected 3640 from pot
sharks1 said, "nh"
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 3640 | Rake 0
Board [2c 2h 5c 2s 7s]
Seat 2: sharks1 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: Willis T (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: Tmy_Maddox folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: LinusK showed [Ac Jh] and lost with three of a kind, Deuces
Seat 7: Regality folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: DTR2 (button) showed [Th Td] and won (3640) with a full house, Deuces full of Tens

LinusKS
10-08-2004, 10:27 PM
I picked up a 1st. I can't lie to you - I got lucky.

I'm taking a break now while I watch the debate (Go Kerry!).

67% ITM
122% ROI
$33/game
$99 profit

LinusKS
10-08-2004, 11:39 PM
2nd. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Should have got first, but my cards went to crap on me.

The blinds were at 300/600, plus 50, and I'd been forced to fold several times in a row because of crap cards. Then I tried a bluff, got raised all-in, and had to fold again, which pretty much evened us up.

Then I picked up 33. I felt like I needed to make a stand with it - crappy hand that it is.

Now here's my question.

I could have gone all-in with it.

Instead, I made a substantial raise - about half my chips - and planned to put the rest in on the flop regardless.

He called, called again, and turned over J9, for second pair.

Is there a good argument for going all-in, vs betting half and half in this situation?

TheDrone
10-09-2004, 01:56 AM
I'd rather just push with 33 to get maximum folding equity. But if you are not going to push preflop, betting 1/3 of your stack seems better because it leaves you a pot-sized flop bet. I suppose if you read the villain as looser preflop and tighter post flop, then option 2 looks better.

rjb03
10-09-2004, 07:15 AM
You playing the Stars $25+$2 turbos?

LinusKS
10-09-2004, 09:22 AM
Yes. I've been moving up slowly, from the Party 10's and 20's, to the PS Turbos 15's, and now 25's.

LinusKS
10-09-2004, 09:28 AM
Yes, I've gone back and forth on it.

Do you think a less than all-in bet preflop looks less like a bluff?

LinusKS
10-09-2004, 09:38 AM
Just picked up a 9th on my first game for the morning.

I don't get many ninths, so here it is (yes yes, I know it's a bad beat story):

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

MP2 (t1460)
Hero (t1490)
CO (t1440)
Button (t1450)
SB (t1380)
BB (t1730)
UTG (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1610)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls t20, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t60</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t40, MP2 calls t40.

Flop: (t190) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets t100</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t300</font>, BB calls t300, MP2 calls t200.

Turn: (t1090) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets t1130 (All-In)</font>, BB calls t1130, MP2 folds.

River: (t3350) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t3350


(I have to confess, these kinds of hands still make scream like a little girl.)


He had 67, for the rivered four-outer.

LinusKS
10-09-2004, 10:28 AM
Well, I hate risk making this look like a bad beat thread, but these kinds of things frustrate me.

I promise I'll stop after this.


In this first one, I already had a read on the villian. He'd called a raise on the first hand with 72o. I didn't respect his raise, and wanted to isolate him from the bb.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (7 handed)

CO (t175)
Button (t625)
Hero (t1825)
BB (t3450)
UTG (t3975)
MP1 (t1045)
MP2 (t2405)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to t625</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t1825</font>, BB folds.

Flop: (t2600) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t2600) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2600) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2600

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has Ah Ts (high card, ace).
Button has 4s 5d (straight, six high).
Outcome: Button wins t2600. </font>



PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

MP (t2975)
Hero (t1250)
Button (t2925)
SB (t895)
BB (t495)
UTG (t4960)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t1250</font>, Button folds, SB calls t795 (All-In), BB folds.

Flop: (t2345) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2345) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: (t2345) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2345

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Hero has Js Ah (one pair, aces).
SB has Ad 9s (two pair, aces and nines).
Outcome: SB wins t1990. Hero wins t355. </font>


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed)

UTG (t2975)
Hero (t355)
CO (t2925)
Button (t1990)
SB (t295)
BB (t4960)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t355</font>, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t155.

Flop: (t810) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

Turn: (t810) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

River: (t810) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t810

Results in white below: <font color="white">
BB has 3d Kd (one pair, threes).
Hero has Kc Js (high card, ace).
Outcome: BB wins t810. </font>

*****

I know this stuff just happens, but it's frustrating.

I can understand why people get superstitious, and become conspiracy theorists.

That makes 4 wins from last night, and one loss, and 2 losses this morning.

LinusKS
10-09-2004, 11:15 AM
Is there any way to play this one differently?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed)

CO (t1500)
Button (t1490)
SB (t1480)
Hero (t1530)
UTG (t1500)
UTG+1 (t1500)
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)
MP3 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 folds, <font color="CC3333">MP2 raises to t40</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls t40, SB folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 folds, Button calls t160.

Flop: (t470) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Button bets t1290 (All-In)</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t1760

willie
10-09-2004, 11:51 AM
sure, throw a bet out there like you have an ace and fold if he comes over the top.

you might have let qq jj or tt steal this from you by checking the flop.

tubbyspencer
10-09-2004, 12:02 PM
My first instinct was to agree and say bet the flop, maybe about half pot.

But the problem is, what to do you do when just called? Bet the turn? River?

Position Position Position.

I think you played it right.

LinusKS
10-10-2004, 12:18 AM
Anything less than a pot-sized bet seems like an admission of weakness, after the large pre-flop bet. I can afford to lose the 200, but throwing another 500 in would be painful if I lost it.


My stats so far:

20 games
45% ITM
37.5% ROI
$202 profit
$10/game

Augie
10-10-2004, 01:45 AM
If your opponent knows that you usually Bet the Pot, on a made hand or a bluff, then I would definately check with your KK (but it is the 1st level, have you played with him before?).

However, there is a lot to be said for betting about 2/3 the size of the pot, say 250-300 here. This often prevents the pot being taken from you. And if he stays in the hand, you still have enough chips to give you a shot in the tourney (or even, if your lucky, really make him pay if you spike a K on the turn).

In fact, this is just one of the reasons that my standard flop bet is 2/3s pot size. Unless the pot is small compared to stack sizes, then I bet the pot.

Besides allowing you to make these feeler bets/bluffs; when you do have a hand, you often get people playing with you with hands they are incorrect to call/raise with. Whereas, most players recognize pot size bets as a sort of commitment to playing the hand through.

Just some thoughts.

Augie

LinusKS
10-11-2004, 12:47 AM
Last game completed.

40 games
$225 profit
20.83% ROI
42.5% ITM
$5.63/game

This is the second time I've done a weekend challenge. (The first time I did 50.)

1. Doing 20 games or more in a day is hard. When I first started this, I figured 2 games/hour, two tabling = 4 games per hour = 5 hours per day. Maybe it's my style of play (I'm not two-tabling enough) or maybe the average game is closer to 45 minutes (quite possible), but I'm definitely not getting 4 done an hour. It's closer to 2. And ten hours a day is too much - at least for me. I'm thinking 15/day is a more reasonable number.

2. It's amazing how much your mood affects your play, and how much your luck affects your mood. Lose two or three three-outers in a row on all-ins, and it's hard to stay positive. Then you find yourself doing things you know you shouldn't be doing, and you have to take a break -another reason 15 is a better number than 20.

3. Patience and discipline. It's amazing how often I've seen players who have been playing well suddenly make absolutely awful calls at or near the bubble. Those two things are more important than all the rest. (If anybody ever makes a decent bot, it will absolutely annihilate the human competition.)

4. I may need some help on my heads-up play. I need to figure out exactly what kinds of hands I need to be pushing with at different levels and stack sizes.

5. I need to move on soon, either to the 6-handed $38 Turbos, or the Party $55's.

PrayingMantis
10-11-2004, 10:30 AM
[ QUOTE ]
2. It's amazing how much your mood affects your play, and how much your luck affects your mood. Lose two or three three-outers in a row on all-ins, and it's hard to stay positive. Then you find yourself doing things you know you shouldn't be doing, and you have to take a break -another reason 15 is a better number than 20.

3. Patience and discipline. It's amazing how often I've seen players who have been playing well suddenly make absolutely awful calls at or near the bubble. Those two things are more important than all the rest. (If anybody ever makes a decent bot, it will absolutely annihilate the human competition.)

[/ QUOTE ]

These are great points. We usually discuss here very specific hands, technical aspects of tactics and strategy, but IMO, the psychological aspect of this game (NL tournies, in this case), is many times the more important thing. People can play rather OK, making good decisions for 95% of the time, and then just make some completely foolish move, which will hurt their ROI on an SNG very significantly. The ability to manage frustration, AND to be able to exploit others' weaknesses (like tilting because of bad-beats), is one of the less-discussed topics, but it is extremely important, on every level and of buy-in.

And regarding patience and discipline - they are often much more relevant to this game than any standard "poker knowledge". They are not enough, of course, but sometimes that's where you find the difference.

mikey checks
10-11-2004, 11:12 AM
[ QUOTE ]
My first instinct was to agree and say bet the flop, maybe about half pot.

But the problem is, what to do you do when just called? Bet the turn? River?

Position Position Position.

I think you played it right.

[/ QUOTE ]

I sincerely agree! /images/graemlins/heart.gif

rachelwxm
10-12-2004, 10:01 AM
These are good results. Congrats! Do you play 20s? Your ROI and $/game suggest that you are paying $27 per game? /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I spent my weekend wasted in terms of poker. Actually shopping a lot with the money I made recently. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

viennagreen
10-12-2004, 05:38 PM
i'm wondering about the $27 lay-out per game as well--- are these all at the Turbo 25+2 at Stars?

i 4-table at Party, and average around 20-25 SNGs per day--- but i can never play more than 4 or 5 hrs/day.... i think that everyone is different, but it's important to recognize your limits in terms of concentration and fatigue... in NL, one little lapse can ruin a tournament for you

i would love to be able to play 8 hrs/day, but i'm just mentally unable to..