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Fiddler
10-07-2004, 03:33 PM
Nice Paradise table with very loose and kind of passive players that liked to gamboool at regular intervals. I had no read on this particular player, he had been sitting out for a while.

Paradise Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, MP1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (7.50 SB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(7 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero caps</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (13.75 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Where do I slow down?

zram21
10-07-2004, 03:43 PM
I think I would cap this turn and if he still leads out on the river just call. He may have KK, but you would have expected a raise preflop with that. So the only other likely hand that beats you is 55. I don't think you will run into 55 often enough to not cap the turn.

cold_cash
10-07-2004, 03:53 PM
I like a turn cap, also. If he still leads the river, call. If he checks, bet.

I've got to think you're up against 2-pair a significant majority of the time.

Akimka
10-07-2004, 03:58 PM
I vote for two-pair. I got ton of hands like this when LAGs capping with K5 or K3 after flop. But you can run into 55...

55 is more understandible hand than k5 or k3 so i will not cap turn. I would play this hand same as you.

LowDown22
10-07-2004, 04:02 PM
I'd play it the same. He's not slowing down after all the strength you've shown. At worst I put him on K5, but I'm thinking he has 55.

cold_cash
10-07-2004, 04:03 PM
More understandable, maybe; but which is more likely?

Akimka
10-07-2004, 04:30 PM
Without theirs VP$IP we can't do clear desicion. If opponent would have VPIP about 30+ i would cap turn but if it less 30 i would not cap and put him on 55. K5 and K3 lies in bottom 50% of total hands... So that guy must be a real gifted to play it from that position (vpip must be high). KK is the hand of question - people who play KK without raise is easily to find then people who play K3... What is happening in minds of a fish? You know?

Fiddler
10-08-2004, 01:08 AM
UTG+1 shows 55 hand MHING.

TheHip41
10-08-2004, 09:36 AM
I don't slow down on that board at all. The only hand that beats you is 55. KK is highly unlikely, so is any straight, since he would have had to cap the flop HU with 64 /images/graemlins/smile.gif He probably has like K5, K7, or K9. I cap the turn, I cap the river. If you play 33 UTG+1, you have to play it like you mean it /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Also, why raise the flop? There aren't many hands that can catch you, let them all call a flop bet. Look at this.

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Flop: (7.50 SB) 3, 5, K (7 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, BB folds, UTG folds

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Look at all those folds. Don't you want 58 calling the flop bet? Let them all call. On the turn, raise the villians bet, then you can make them pay 2 BB to chase from that point. Not the end of the world, but you probably could have gotten another 1.5 BB without much risk

Cap the turn, cap the river.

TheHip41
10-08-2004, 09:39 AM
If you don't lose a lot of money when you flop an underset, and it gets HU, on the flop, and no flush hits the board, you aren't playing it right /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Bez
10-08-2004, 09:45 AM
Capping the turn AND the river seems a little over-aggressive to me. Surely no none-maniac is gonna give you the opportunity to cap the river after the turn is capped with worse than lowest trips.

flair1239
10-08-2004, 10:29 AM
I don't think you slow down until the river. This might be set over set but I doubt it.

I would put him on AK (some people like to limp with this hand), KQ, or Maybe he slowplayed a big PP pf. Like I said set over set is possible, but I don't think you should sped a huge amount of time worrying about it.

TheHip41
10-08-2004, 10:46 AM
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Capping the turn AND the river seems a little over-aggressive to me. Surely no none-maniac is gonna give you the opportunity to cap the river after the turn is capped with worse than lowest trips.

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you are correct, cap the turn, bet the river and call a raise.