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Entity
10-06-2004, 01:17 AM
235 hands, 6 wins.

Did I keep my aggression high enough, despite the losing streak?
Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB calls.

River: (11.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises</font>, BB calls, <font color="CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, Button calls, BB calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

cab4656
10-06-2004, 01:22 AM
You bet or raised at every opportunity and you are wondering if your aggression is not high enough?

This hand is fine.

Entity
10-06-2004, 01:23 AM
[ QUOTE ]
You bet or raised at every opportunity and you are wondering if your aggression is not high enough?

This hand is fine.

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Good point. Also meant to make sure the aggression wasn't misplaced at all.

Rob

Sent
10-06-2004, 01:24 AM
Looks fine to me, no weakness

-Sent

Jimbobobb
10-06-2004, 01:31 AM
This looks good to me - If the people in the hand with me were really aggro it might change my flop play to check/call a bet or check/fold to two, since I have odds to pray for my (hopefull) 6 outs ont he turn. On the river I like the 3-bet. Someone with twopair before would have popped you on the turn most likely.

EliteNinja
10-06-2004, 02:14 AM
I like the bet out on the flop in this situation. With 10 SB this is a good bet with 6 outs to improve. Turn and River are spot on. If the table is aggro enough, a check-raise could be in order on the turn perhaps.

bisonbison
10-06-2004, 02:27 AM
If the table is aggro enough, a check-raise could be in order on the turn perhaps.

I'd rather get raised on a bet than 3-bet on a c/r

Reef
10-06-2004, 05:09 AM
I'm not passive by any means.. but what can you beat? The 10's are probably not the best hand right now. AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, 88 any Q or J all beat you (which are all likely candidates for them to have). On the turn, AK, QQ, JJ or 99 has you beat. Luckily you weren't raised here and no one had them... River played itself

aggression is very good, but in the right places at the right times

Jaran
10-06-2004, 10:56 AM
Hero has a fh.

-Jaran

SomethingClever
10-06-2004, 11:44 AM
Looks fine. Don't sweat it if you lost to QJ or Q8.

Hate sessions like those.

TheHip41
10-06-2004, 11:47 AM
lol, is that Bald Bull?

norgule
10-06-2004, 12:11 PM
I too am playing .5/1 and in the midst of a horrendous downswing. I have not hit more than three hands on any street in the last 350 or so hands. I only play premium hands, I raise and bet according to SSH and my read on players hands. I have lost almost 100BB.
I guess my question is, does this happen a lot or do I just sometimes suck that bad, but only every 10000 hands or so?
Oh , by the way, if you dont mind my asking, how much did you lose during this downswing?

SomethingClever
10-06-2004, 12:16 PM
That's an awful lot of BB to lose in just 350 hands, you should post some questionable hands. But yes, those kind of bad streaks happen a lot.

I've run badly for over 2,000 hands, and I know most others here have run badly for far longer than that.

Entity
10-06-2004, 12:33 PM
Well, fortunately my table was passive enough for me to fill up before they decided to raise me.

I was up against A9o and 88, MHIG.

The session was a rather fortunate one, actually. I built a bunch of huge pots when I was ahead in a hand and got rivered quite a few times, but since the pots were all multiway, they didn't cost me nearly as much as they would've HU. It was weak as far as losses go, but sucked in the morale department. I've had much worse monetary swings.

Anyway, surprised this thread got as many replies as it did. I look at it again today and it looks pretty standard.

DrBob
10-06-2004, 12:37 PM
I wasn't sure that the flop bet made sense, given 2 cards bigger than your Ts on the flop. This table is relevant:

Prob of at least one of n opps matching top or middle card on non-paired flop = 1-C(2n,41)/C(2n,47)

N Opps Prob Expected
1 24.1% 0.3
2 43.2% 0.5
3 58.1% 0.8
4 69.6% 1.0
5 78.3% 1.3
6 84.9% 1.5
7 89.7% 1.8
8 93.1% 2.0
9 95.6% 2.3

So with 4 random opps there's a 70% chance you're behind, worse if you credit them with some tendency to require high cards when they call /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Giving them some credit, say you have a 20-25% chance of having the best hand. You have 6 outs to a likely best hand, which is about 13% (by the turn). Combined with the chance you're ahead now, this looks like 33-38%, well above "fair share" pot equity (20% as 1 of 5), so a value bet does look pretty good. I know this analysis doesn't consider opponents improving on the turn, but there's a big margin here. A bet here also has odds to drive out single overcards, adding a protection factor.

EliteNinja
10-06-2004, 03:53 PM
I just thought that out and yeah, Bison is correct. Risking a 3-bet on a check-raise would not be a good in that situation.

Thanks for your insight.

TRlANGLEman
10-06-2004, 04:53 PM
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The 10's are probably not the best hand right now. AK, AQ, AJ, QQ, JJ, 88 any Q or J all beat you (which are all likely candidates for them to have). On the turn, AK, QQ, JJ or 99 has you beat.

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With no preflop reraise, AK, QQ, and JJ don't seem to be likely holdings for his opponents.