Would You Say Anything?

[Softrock]

20-40 Game, the person involved (let's call him "my firend") knows the basics and that's about it. I have raised on the button with K /images/graemlins/heart.gifJ /images/graemlins/heart.gif after this player had limped in. The SB calls and the BB folds. I flop top two with a club flush draw on board. Small blind checks, my friend bets, I raise, SB three-bets, my friend calls, I cap, and both call. Turn is a blank. I strongly suspect the SB is on a flush draw. SB checks the turn, my friend checks and I bet - both call. River completes the flush, SB bets out, my friend folds and I make a crying call and of course am showed A /images/graemlins/club.gif8 /images/graemlins/club.gif. My friend says "I want to see the other hand" (mine) and the dealer obliges. I don't say anything. However, after about 30 seconds my friend says "Sorry for asking to see your hand". THAT annoyed me at the time as in go ahead and ask to see my hand if you feel the need but then don't apologize after the fact. In my annoyance I said "Yeah, some would say that's rude but the rules say you're entitled to see my hand and I play by the rules". (And the sarcasm was evident).

Later I thought about this and I believe he had a King and wanted to know if he was trailing me before the flush came and then did actually feel badly that his curiosity had caused him to act in a manner that might be construed as poor etiquette.

Would you have said anything?

[Billy Baroo]

If your friend was a fish, then I would tell him that it's no big deal. If he was a decent player, then I probably wouldn't be as nice... but still I wouldn't blow up at the guy. At least he had the decency to apologize.

[bernie]

No.

I have had this happen many times. It's a called hand at showdown, someone can ask to see it. Case closed.

Next hand.

We just did this thread about a month ago.

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[DimensionPresident]

Many of my actual friends are close enough to me where this wouldnt even be a problem. Tell him to F off. If he doesn't, he's not a friend.

[Yeknom58]

NO,

If he does it multiple times I would start to get annoyed but once is A-Okay.

And why do you put the SB on a flush draw after he check 3-bets the flop? Check 3-bets are usually made hands not draws. Now his turn check looks like a draw but on the flop I would have put him on at least 2 pair.

[Humble Pie]

No, you really shouldn't say anything. By the way, why does this make you so upset? Do you feel that he is acusing you of cheating?

[afish]

The only reason to ask to see another player's hand is to prevent collusion. When players ask to see your hand, they are implicitly accusing you of collusion (although most players don't realize that). When someone asks to see my hand, I explain that to the player (sometimes with more annoyance than others). They never ask a second time.

[beta1607]

I disagree that the only reason to see another persons hand is if you suspect collusion. Seeing the players cards after they call a river bet is your right and can provide information as to the way they play.

[MicroBob]

I look up my opponents mucked hands on partypoker all the time. I do not think they are colluding. I want to see what they took all the way to the river.


Being rude to someone who is making a request that is within the rules is just silly. If someone does this to you I think it is MUCH more rude to say something about it then then it is to ask to see the cards.

I think it's fairly classy to apologize and try to keep everyone at the table reasonably cool.
The original poster seemed to be more upset by the fact that the guy thought about it and decided to apologize about it.....I don't understand why you would get upset at someone who is being polite and relatively congenial.

[LegoDoom]

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The original poster seemed to be more upset by the fact that the guy thought about it and decided to apologize about it.....I don't understand why you would get upset at someone who is being polite and relatively congenial.

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The rule is there to prevent colluding. The apology makes it seem like he knew he wasn't using the rule for its intended use.

It pisses me off, but I hardly ever say anything about it.

[bernie]

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By the way, why does this make you so upset? Do you feel that he is acusing you of cheating?


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I never thought of this angle as for why someone may get upset. Which still isn't worth getting worked up over. Ill have to use that in my future arguments against getting uptight about someone asking for a look.

People still get way too bent out of shape over this.

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[RogerZBT]

If my friend did this to me in a casino, I'd flip out. Why on earth would he want to help the rest of the table read your play? Did he think you'd lie to him if he asked later in the day? Whenever my friends and I play together, on the ride home or at dinner we discuss our hands and why we played them the way we did. It's gotten to the point where we know what hands to make a mental note of to make sure we have the details right for discussion later. I don't get this at all.

Even if you're not as psycho as me, you should make it clear for next time, that all he has to do is ask later.

[stir]

Haven't read the other opinions, but my take is don't say anything to your friend at the table, including sarcasm. Just act as if it's unimportant to you and move on.

Away from the table explain to him calmly that it is very poor form and you didn't appreciate it - then drop it.

[Softrock]

A) No I didn't feel he was accusing me of cheating. This fellow probably wasn't capable of thinking on that level

B) It wasn't his asking to see my hand that I reacted to - that happens periodically and I agree with most of the others that it's not something to get worked up about

C) What irked me is his apologizing for doing it. My thinking was that I'd forgive an innocent act of rudeness. However, the fact that he apologized told me he KNEW he was being rude. If you know it's rude and do it anyway then don't insult me by apologizing.

D) However, after some thought I decided he probably was acting in good faith and that I was semi out of line for making a sarcastic comment back.

E)I didn't get worked up. I made a calm statement that was indeed meant to be sarcastic and then I let it be - didn't affect my play nor did I single him out at all.

[bunky9590]

I had a guy at the Borgata 6-12 ask to see my hand after I mucked it to the dealer. I told the dealer "hold on" , I then asked the guy if he wants to showdown every called hand he's in for the rest of the night, becuase I'm gonna request to see every one of them.

He declined to look at my cards. The dealer mucked them and shuffled. I never said a word after that. Neither did he.

[BugSplatt]

Rule number 1) There's no friends in poker.

Check raise that mofo the first chance you get and you'll feel all better.

Bug

[jmark]

If he was your friend why couldn't he just ask you what you had?

Also if he was your friend and he didn't play well, did you try and tell him he shouldn't be playing 20-40?