FoxNews Debate Controversies

[Matty]

http://www.conspire.com/fox-photoshop.jpg

They're also fabricating stories:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/1/18567/5221

[ACPlayer]

... the Fox photo shows Bush lying.

[mmcd]

You do realize it is a picture taken at a different moment from a different angle don't you.

[theBruiser500]

Haha, is this a joke? The last poster said why this is dumb...

[nothumb]

Actually, look at it more closely. For them to appear of a more similar height the camera would have to be looking up at them more so than in the other picture. But the angle of their heads, the amount of nostril you can see, etc, is not consistent with that - it looks exactly like the first photo.

Look also at where Bush's arm falls. For this photo to be accurate he would need to be several inches taller than Kerry at the waist but an inch or so shorter in overall height.

This photograph is clearly doctored. The question is, why bother? Why not just run a photo of them standing far apart? Does Fox News really think it's that important that they show the two standing next to each other, and that Kerry doesn't tower over Bush.

This is a bizarre example of the lengths to which the media sometimes goes.

EDIT: The only other way this photo could be accurate is if Bush was 1. standing a bit in front of Kerry and 2. On slightly higher footing. Too bad you can't see their feet...

NT

[Dynasty]

Aren't these images from the pool camera? ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN, etc use the same TV cameras for events like these for logistical reasons. Even if they didn't, there's now way any news organization could alter that kind of live news feed.

Grey,

You really need to post stuff from credible sources. Those images of President Bush and Senator Kerry come form a website called www.conspire.com. (http://www.conspire.com.) On the main page, the headline is "Tinfoil Hatters Unite!" and it plugs the book 80 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time. The site says about the book "The book that, well, wrote the book on the most far-reaching, far-out, startling (and sometimes even true) conspiracy theories...".



As far as the foxnews.com story goes, I don't know how those quotes got past the editor of the website.

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"Didn't my nails and cuticles look great? What a good debate!" Kerry said Friday.

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"It's about the Supreme Court. Women should like me! I do manicures," Kerry said.

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"I'm metrosexual — he's a cowboy," the Democratic candidate said of himself and his opponent.

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Foxnews.com retraction should give more detail about how that stuff got posted.

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Earlier Friday, FOXNews.com posted an item purporting to contain quotations from Kerry. The item was based on a reporter’s partial script that had been written in jest and should not have been posted or broadcast. We regret the error, which occurred because of fatigue and bad judgment, not malice.

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[Matty]

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Aren't these images from the pool camera? ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN, etc use the same TV cameras for events like these for logistical reasons. Even if they didn't, there's now way any news organization could alter that kind of live news feed.

[/ QUOTE ]They didn't alter the live feed. The photo was found on their website, but, like the faked article, the only way we know it was ever on the foxnews website is because someone caught it on a screenshot. It was taken off after people started talking about it.

In order for get Bush nearly as tall as Kerry, this is the angle you'd have to use:

http://www.foxnews.com/images/139992/30_25_093004_bush_kerry_shake_450.jpg

Bush would have to be closer, and you'd have to be looking up from waist level.

Coincidentally enough, after they took the doctored photo off their site, this is the photo they're now using.

Edit: I take it back- FoxNews does still have a small thumbnail of the doctored photo on their homepage.

[GWB]

Meanwhile, Kerry had some debate "aids":

http://www.registeredmedia.com/parodies/debatepodium.jpg

[Matty]

http://www.polistyrene.com/media/2/20040929-republican_platform.jpg

[whiskeytown]

so what we're wondering is this....Did Fox doctor a photo to make Bush taller - (since they're clearly not the same photo)

I dunno, but I know journalists who got suspended for airbrushing a WIRE out of a photo - so whoever did it should be fired -

RB

[riverflush]

If this is a "conspiracy" they also took the time to soften Kerry's face and make his lips look as if he is saying something completely different...as well as move Bush away and completely change his right arm angle and length...etc.

Can't you guys see Bush is pulling away from Kerry in the second pic, Kerry's right shoulder has turned away as well - seemingly closer to releasing the handshake. Also notice the "line" on the background wall.

It's two completely different moments...perhaps a second or three apart.

[anatta]

The real issue is why does Fox have a totally biased reporter, Carl Cameron (sp?), covering the Kerry campaign.

[Cyrus]

Any truth to the rumor that Dick
is preparing for the VP debates
by ingesting Viagra ?

[Matty]

Okay, so it turns out that was an AP photo. FoxNews did NOT photoshop anything.

I think the Kerry campaign should deny access to FoxNews until they quit using biased reporters to cover him who obviously hate him. I mean what could FoxNews do in retaliation? Get more negative on him?

I think the American Public would more than understand when the full story hit headlines, and it might alleviate some of the perceptions Rather-Gate has created.

[adios]

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Okay, so it turns out that was an AP photo. FoxNews did NOT photoshop anything.

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Ok, btw has dailykos admitted that they believe the forged documents in the Dan Rather scandel were not produced on a typewriter? They were promoting the CBS disinformation and really have lost all credibility so I when you post a link to them I know you've lost all credibility.

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I think the Kerry campaign should deny access to FoxNews until they quit using biased reporters to cover him who obviously hate him. I mean what could FoxNews do in retaliation? Get more negative on him?

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Not an iota of evidence to back this up and typical. When FoxNews discorvered it had erred it published a retraction immediately unlike CBS and Dan Rather who are still spinning it. Kerry campaign representatives are constantly being interviewed for their take on FoxNews.

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I think the American Public would more than understand when the full story hit headlines, and it might alleviate some of the perceptions Rather-Gate has created.

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This is nonsensical but not surprising.

[adios]

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The real issue is why does Fox have a totally biased reporter, Carl Cameron (sp?), covering the Kerry campaign.

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What facts do you have to back this up? I thought Cameron was pro Kerry. If FoxNews is mainly watched by right wingers why does it concern you? Why do you watch FoxNews?

[anatta]

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What facts do you have to back this up

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To back up my claim that he is biased: it is my understanding that the false story published and retracted on Fox's website was written by Cameron. I have watched Cameron, admittedly not that often, but its seems clear from what I see that he is a biased. Also, he works for Fox, a biased network.

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I thought Cameron was pro Kerry

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This would suprise me. Since he is a reporter, I assume that you must have some basis for this claim. For example, Tim Russert wouldn't say outright which candidate he supports, I would expect Cameron to be silent on this, he isn't like Joe Scarbrough or Ron Reagan.


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If FoxNews is mainly watched by right wingers why does it concern you?

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I think the media have an important role to play in a democracy. I think its dangerous when you have a network which claims to be a News organization, but it really isn't. Fox serves as a mouthpiece for right wing ideology.

The documenatry "OutFoxed" chronicles Fox's right-wing exploits. This documentary was recently screened before members of Congress who took an interest. So I am not alone in my concern. I'll leave it to you to look up the website for OutFoxed for more tangible evidence of their bias.

Also you can look at the PIPA study which shows Fox viewers hold a much greater level of misconceptions on important issues like WMD's and 9-11. I cited this link in a recent post, the main heading was something like "Bush supporters are stupid" or something, I can't remember, but it was within the last 3 days here. The original post dealt with Bush supporters not knowing where the President stands on other issues, look for my post on WMDs and 9-11.

The study shows that Bush supporters who get their news from other sources don't hold these misconceptions as greatly. I have concluded that these people are voters, and Fox is misleading them to support Bush. If you read the study and care to comment I'd like to hear it as no right winger here read the study or had the balls to comment.

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Why do you watch FoxNews

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I don't watch it that often. I do watch a lot of TV news, so occasionally I will tune in to check out how the Right is spinning things. I actually thought their debate assessment was good, before it degenerated into the predicable, "what about the global test" distortions and fear mongering.

[Knockwurst]

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The real issue is why does Fox have a totally biased reporter, Carl Cameron (sp?), covering the Kerry campaign.

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What facts do you have to back this up? I thought Cameron was pro Kerry. If FoxNews is mainly watched by right wingers why does it concern you? Why do you watch FoxNews?

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Dude, you really need to get with the program. Carl Cameron's wife works for the Bush campaign. There's a whole outtake of Cameron talking to Bush before interviewing him, discussing with Bush how his (Cameron's)wife is working diligently for the Bush campaign. Cameron like every other reporter for Fox news is a Republican, they have to state their affiliation before they are hired.

[Jimbo]

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I think the Kerry campaign should deny access to FoxNews until they quit using biased reporters to cover him who obviously hate him.

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You are supposed to be the party of freedom of speech and opinions yet you want to censor certain reporters because they are intelligent but have a different viewpoint than you? How idiotic can you be?

Jimbo

[MelchyBeau]

It gets better

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134268,00.html

"We're trying to get Comrade Kerry elected and get that capitalist enabler George Bush out of office," said 17-year-old Komoselutes Rob of Communists for Kerry.

" "Even though he, too, is a capitalist, he supports my socialist values more than President Bush," Rob said, before assuring FOXNews.com that his organization was not a parody group. When asked his thoughts on Washington's policy toward Communist holdout North Korea, Rob said: "The North Koreans are my comrades to a point, and I'm sure they support Comrade Kerry, too."

It is unclear whether the Kerry campaign has welcomed the Communists' endorsement."

On the commies for kerry website the about us section states

"Communists for Kerry" is a campaign of the Hellgate Republican Club, a tax exempt non-partisan public advocacy "527" organization that exists for the purpose of;

"Informing voters with satire and irony, how political candidates make decisions based on the failed social economic principles of socialism that punish the individual by preventing them from becoming their dream through proven ideas of entrepreneurship and freedom."

This article hasn't been changed or pulled. Its on the front page of thier site.

Melch