How do you play this flop?

[AlmightyJay]

What a flop, now how do I make money off of it? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP3 ($70.77)
CO ($20.2)
Hero ($24.9)
SB ($14.95)
BB ($24.15)
UTG ($10.9)
UTG+1 ($109.23)
UTG+2 ($31)
MP1 ($32.1)
MP2 ($24.25)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.50, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, CO calls $0.50, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, CO folds.

Flop: ($6.25) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero ???

[AncientPC]

Basically you're asking how to suck out the most money seeing as how you have the nuts (highly unlikely that UTG+1 has AK). This is really player dependent . . .

[tdomeski]

ARE YOU F'ING SERIOUS?

BET, BET AND BET. .if he has an Ace you are getting a lot of action and you need to get the money in ASAP as your hand is still very vulnerable. .

[SlyAK]

Probably bet 1/2 to 2/3 of the pot. Either he has the other ace and will play back at you, or not. If he doesnt have an ace, it isnt very likely that he will catch up enough to get much money from him anyway.

This completely changes if the guy is a known bluffer. Then slowplay it and wait for him to get aggressive.

Sly

[SlyAK]

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you need to get the money in ASAP as your hand is still very vulnerable. .

[/ QUOTE ]


I dont see how his hand is very vulnerable HU... if villain has another Ace with a lower kicker he has 3 outs. I cant see how villain has more than 3 outs here if he is behind. If villain has an underpair like QQ or JJ, he is drawing to runner runner just to catch up.

(Of course villain could already be ahead with AA or AK and be ahead).

Still I agree with your point about betting here, as you will get lots of action from AQ and AJ.

Sly

[LokiV]

While being big stack doesn't mean someone is a decent to good player, I tend to give them credit until I see them do something poor. As a result I would guess he'd call only w/ AK-AJ (probably suited) especially without position and heads up, only one of those hurts you. If he has a lower pocket pair he will probably dump it, likewise if he has a lone K.

I would bet half the pot (you're vulnerable? Then what is invulnerable, just the absolute nuts?) and if he reraises call, let him take over and then jam the river.

Since he doesn't have position, he will have to bet out on the turn or else check to show weakness.

[AncientPC]

I have no respect for Party big stacks unless they're at least 4x the buyin, and then maybe.

This doesn't mean I play crazy on marginal calls, but I will push a lot more when I think I'm ahead.

[LokiV]

Is he 4x the max buyin? I almost put in 4x as my guideline but I can't tell if he meant $1 BB which is $50 or (judging by stack sizes) its' $25.

now i realize i should've just looked at the blinds being put in. duh. yeah 4x the buyin takes some doing, i'd watch him.

[Piz0wn0reD!!!!!!]

[ QUOTE ]
ARE YOU F'ING SERIOUS?

BET, BET AND BET. .if he has an Ace you are getting a lot of action and you need to get the money in ASAP as your hand is still very vulnerable. .

[/ QUOTE ]

There can only be 2 outs against him. Your play should depend on position, and the players.

Sucks when someone has AK.

[AlmightyJay]

Thanks for the advice everyone. The reason I posted this was because I bet out about 2/3 of the pot and he folded, and all I could think to myself was, "I should have slowplayed!"

[okayplayer]

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I dont see how his hand is very vulnerable HU... if villain has another Ace with a lower kicker he has 3 outs. I cant see how villain has more than 3 outs here if he is behind. If villain has an underpair like QQ or JJ, he is drawing to runner runner just to catch up.



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If he has an A, he has 4 outs (you forgot the last A), plus the chance that the board will runner-runner a pair (this actually happened to me one time in this same situation, except I had QQ, and yes I made a 2/3 pot sized bet and he pushed all-in which I quickly called), which is about 6%. So, with his 4 outs plus runner-runner, villain's about a 3:1 dog (if he has an A).

okay

[AncientPC]

<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>http://twodimes.net/h/?z=539034
pokenum -h ac qc - kc kd -- ah ad kh
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ad Ah Kh
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Qc 227 22.93 763 77.07 0 0.00 0.229
Kc Kd 763 77.07 227 22.93 0 0.00 0.771</pre><hr />

That would make A + non K a 7:2 dog.

[emp1346]

Look, something hasn't been said yet on this thread, and it's a bit disturbing that it appears I'm the only one who thinks this way...

DON'T play your hand by trying to figure out how to get the most money out of someone. That doesn't mean that moves such as check-raise aren't recommended at times, but at the same time, dragging a pot is dragging a pot. If I was to raise PF off the blinds and no one called, even if I have AA, I'm happy to have pulled the blinds.

Other than that, I think the best move here is to almost bet the pot, seeing as the other guy still thinks he's getting decent pot odds and some people see "large but weak" bets as a steal attempt.

[okayplayer]

I did this in my head... and calc'ed ~24% so hey, off 1%...

[cornell2005]

bet. but its not because your hand is vulnerable. its because noone is going to improve on the turn and suddenly give you action. you are either getting action now or you arnt. so you might as well start getting the money now vs people that have an ace or a king