I make a ton of money by speeding out of state.

[James282]

So today I got pulled over. I got a ticket. I hate getting tickets. This one happened to be in a speed trap -while I was on the phone - so they got me. Good job guys. I'm busted. 67 in a 50(that turned into a 50 from a 60 with no notice!). Anyways, I'm a New Jersey boy and this was WVA, so no sympathy for me from the officer and I'm pinned with a handy $147 fine. All of the natural reactions ensued - anger, frustration, embarassment, and a good sense that I had learned my lesson, at least for this trip!

Then it hit me. This ticket is about $167 when you figure in all the fees(if I do the driving school online, which costs 20 bucks so I don't get any points). So that's $167 right out of my bank account - a loss, surely, right?

Wrong. Speeding tickets need to be viewed as simply a matter of EV. About 20 minutes after I was pulled over, I realized that I had driven close to 3000 miles in the last month. In those 3000 miles, 1500 were spent driving home. When I get home, I almost always play poker until a given time each night. So if I get home earlier, I play longer, and if I am a winning player, I make more.

I very conservatively estimate that I've averaged over 10 mph over the speed limit during the last month. Almost all of that is highway driving, so let's say the average Speed Limit was 60 mph. Going the speed limit, it should take me about 25 hours to get home. But as I said, I average about 10 mph over the speed limit, so it in fact only took me 21.4 hours or so. Factor in the extra 15 minutes it took me to be pulled over and we'll round that out at about 22.5 hours. As you can see, I saved 3.5 hours going over the speed limit, and it cost me $167 dollars. So all I would need is a winrate of a measily 50$ an hour to break even on this proposition, and, at the rate I've gone for the last 70k hands or so I am making far more than this 5-6 tabling 15/30.

I know my sample of 3000 miles is small, but I think with a lot of care(I made the dumb mistake of talking on my cell phone!) an expert can make several hundred dollars per month just by speeding out of state. I say out of state because if your insurance goes up it can severely screw up your EV. So next time you get pulled over, DO NOT VARY FROM YOUR GAME PLAN! Speed away and know that in the long term, you'll make money by speeding.

Next installment: I make money by getting conversations with my girlfriend out of the way while I'm in the car instead of while I'm at home and could be playing poker.

Peace and good luck,
James

[Schneids]

Awesome post!

Give us an update at 20,000 miles so we can get a better sense of your PR/100 miles (pullover rate). As you elluded to, your sample size might be a little too small to get a sense of whether you truly are a +EV speeder.

[uw_madtown]

You drive goot.

[jasonHoldEm]

You are missing the fact there is more at stake when speeding than just getting a ticket. I realize you are being somewhat facetious (sp?), but in addition to the possibility of fines one must consider the other -EV factors involved (decreased gas mileage, increased insurance rates, officer phil finding your secret stash, decreased reaction time, accidents, property damage, death, etc).

Personally, I find it's better to just never leave the house.

J

[Ulysses]

Lots of states share this information for insurance/points purposes.

[James282]

How much is my personal chance of getting in an accident increased by driving an average of over 10 mph to the speed limit? I don't have a "secret stash," so no problem there... And as an aside - if I am driving on cruise control, am I still using more gas(a serious question)? I should calculate this in my EV, though it's basically negligible I imagine.
-James

[James282]

Most states don't share with New Jersey. And the ones that do offer an online driving course for a minimal cost, and one of the questions was literally "what color is a stop sign." Someone told me that more are going to start(or maybe they already have), regardless, I make mad money by speeding out of state.
-James

[Saint_D]

It has cost you around $300 in fuel to speed. That is if you went 70MPH for 22.5 hours.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/driveHabits.shtml

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Gas mileage decreases rapidly at speeds above 60 mph. Each 5 mph you drive over 60 mph is like paying an additional $0.10 per gallon for gas.

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There you have it. After that, coasting to a stop and accelerating smoothly will help. If you drive an SUV all the bad effects of rabbit starts and going over 60 are pretty much doubled.

-Saint_D

[jasonHoldEm]

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How much is my personal chance of getting in an accident increased by driving an average of over 10 mph to the speed limit?

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I was being a bit extreme perhaps, but nonetheless it must be considered. Even if the risk is small the loss would be sizeable (i.e. death) so it must be factored in.

As far as gas mileage goes I was always under the impression that the faster you go the more gas you use. My POS escort tops out at about 67 so I don't have this problem. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Peace,
J

EDIT: Deleted a poor example.

[James282]

My car gets good gas mileage - and I think my winrate makes up for the extra couple cents per gallon - but thanks for the info, it is important that I know exactly how much speeding increases my EV.
-James

[jasonHoldEm]

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it is important that I know exactly how much speeding increases my EV.

[/ QUOTE ]

lol...now if you could create a chart to see at what speed your EV tops out that would be cool.

/images/graemlins/smile.gif
J

[LinusKS]

You should also consider some advanced techniques.

I've found that, in addition to speeding, not-showering, not-shaving, and not-brushing your teeth are all +EV.

As a bonus, you might get out of talking to a girlfriend, as well!


(Great post, btw.)

[James282]

[ QUOTE ]
You should also consider some advanced techniques.

I've found that, in addition to speeding, not-showering, not-shaving, and not-brushing your teeth are all +EV.

As a bonus, you might get out of talking to a girlfriend, as well!


(Great post, btw.)

[/ QUOTE ]

An interesting perspective.
-James

[Manimal]

LOL, that's such propaganda.

Using my car as an example, here's proof:

Using cruise control, at 60 MPH, I'm at roughly 2400 RPM. At 80, I'm at 3000.

So, for 60 highway miles @60 MPH, I travel for 60 minutes, at 2400 RPM, which gives a total of 144,000 revolutions.

Or, I travel 3/4 of an hour at 80 MPH. So, that's 45 * 3000, which gives a result of 135,000 revolutions.

Now, unless I have a bad ECU, which will not maintain a constant Air/fuel ratio, speeding is clearly +EV. And that's not even mentioning the reduced wear on the engine that results from using ~6% fewer revolutions.

[stoxtrader]

[ QUOTE ]
LOL, that's such propaganda.

Using my car as an example, here's proof:

Using cruise control, at 60 MPH, I'm at roughly 2400 RPM. At 80, I'm at 3000.

So, for 60 highway miles @60 MPH, I travel for 60 minutes, at 2400 RPM, which gives a total of 144,000 revolutions.

Or, I travel 3/4 of an hour at 80 MPH. So, that's 45 * 3000, which gives a result of 135,000 revolutions.

Now, unless I have a bad ECU, which will not maintain a constant Air/fuel ratio, speeding is clearly +EV. And that's not even mentioning the reduced wear on the engine that results from using ~6% fewer revolutions.

[/ QUOTE ]

awesome.

[James282]

I wish I knew stuff about cars.
-James

[Killer Mike]

True, you can drive 10 miles over the speed limit, skip showering, skip shaving, and forgo many of the pleasures life has to offer besides poker (there are a couple, believe it or not). The only problem is, then you're just an unshaven guy who drives fast, stinks, plays poker too much (if that's possible), and never gets any broads. /images/graemlins/wink.gif You've got to draw the line somewhere.

Seriously, though, great post. I've never thought of it that way. I found the reply detailing the ratio of engine revolutions to fuel economy especially enlightening.

[snowlarbear]

get a radar detector. 1 saved ticket and it pays for itself.

[Saint_D]

[ QUOTE ]
LOL, that's such propaganda.

Using my car as an example, here's proof:

Using cruise control, at 60 MPH, I'm at roughly 2400 RPM. At 80, I'm at 3000.

So, for 60 highway miles @60 MPH, I travel for 60 minutes, at 2400 RPM, which gives a total of 144,000 revolutions.

Or, I travel 3/4 of an hour at 80 MPH. So, that's 45 * 3000, which gives a result of 135,000 revolutions.

Now, unless I have a bad ECU, which will not maintain a constant Air/fuel ratio, speeding is clearly +EV. And that's not even mentioning the reduced wear on the engine that results from using ~6% fewer revolutions.

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It has nothing to do with RPM. Though, if you drove your car on the moon (or maybe denver), then this would hold water.

It's all about air resistance! At about 60MPH air resistance on a car (even a super streamlined race car) starts to make a dent in your fuel economy. The graph is like a hockey stick, and 60MPH is the where it starts to curve up.

Think about how much further a baseball travels in the Mile High City than Sea Level.

[stoxtrader]

[ QUOTE ]
It's all about air resistance! At about 60MPH air resistance on a car (even a super streamlined race car) starts to make a dent in your fuel economy. The graph is like a hockey stick, and 60MPH is the where it starts to curve up.


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problem solved. I'll just continue speeding, but now I'll tailgate a fast moving SUV as well.

[Saint_D]

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It has cost you around $300 in fuel to speed

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I DID do my math wrong (it's still all about air resistance!) I calculated .20/mile not .20/gallon!

Let me do it again.

21.4 hour x 70 mph = 1498 Miles driven
Lets say that your car gets 30MPG at 60 MPH.

1498 miles /30 miles to the gallon = 50 (rounded off) gallons of fuel.

50 gallons * .20 extra cost per gallon for going 70 = $10 . /images/graemlins/blush.gif

Sorry about the big math error!


P.S. It's STILL all due to increase air resistance!

[mmbt0ne]

[ QUOTE ]
You should also consider some advanced techniques.

I've found that, in addition to speeding, not-showering, not-shaving, and not-brushing your teeth are all +EV.

As a bonus, you might get out of talking to a girlfriend, as well!


(Great post, btw.)

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, but no banging is definitely -EV (Erection Value).

[brick]

Great post.

You may wish to calculate the speed that gives the greatest return. you'll never get pulled over for going 4 mph over but as you increase your speed you are more likely to get pulled over. Go 20 over all the time and you'll really get a lot of tickets.

My guess is the 8 or 9 over would be optimal..

[uw_madtown]

[ QUOTE ]
Great post.

You may wish to calculate the speed that gives the greatest return. you'll never get pulled over for going 4 mph over but as you increase your speed you are more likely to get pulled over. Go 20 over all the time and you'll really get a lot of tickets.

My guess is the 8 or 9 over would be optimal..

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You are correct, sah!

[mmcd]

You should have spent that $167 on a good radar dectector.

Drive faster; Greatly decreased chance of getting pulled over

Higher EV

[Blarg]

Actually, you'll get ticketed when the cops feel like giving out tickets.

Although they'll deny it because they're not supposed to do it and there are not really supposed to be quotas on tickets, the real reason for many laws is for cities to take money from citizens. Cities count on their cops and meter-readers to bring in significant parts of their monthly nut -- huge parts, for some cities.

Around the beginning of the last week of the month, you'll find cops suddenly all over the street. I'm sure many people have noticed no cops in sight at many times and at others several cops per block ticketing people. They're descending like locusts to make their quota. Pulling people over is dangerous for police officers, and how a lot of them get shot. They don't have tremendous control over the situation, and the person they pull over can speed away in a flash. Many don't like doing it, and would certainly rather loaf about or do other things than pass out traffic tickets.

Nevertheless, at the end of the month, it's time to pay the piper. They can and will get chewed out if they don't keep up their end. So from around the 22nd or so, keep an eye out. Cops will be all over the street, and don't think they're always interested in giving you a fair shake. You can be ticketed for going 2 mph over the speed limit. You can be ticketed for not using a turn signal or coming to a complete stop before turning, even if you did so. Don't think the cop is necessarily going to care.

It's just a job, and a lot of cops don't particularly respect or care for civilians anyway. The ticket frenzy often blows over in just three days or so, and then the cops are nowhere to be seen again, but it's best to be extra careful around the beginning of the last week of every month.

[LeftBack]

More specifically, horespower required to overcome air resistance is a CUBIC function of speeed.

[Leo Bello]

The amount of data is too small, he forgot the Str8 Flush of speeding. It only happens once each 50 or 100K times speeding, but it is wondrous. The car accident. Can cost you anything from the value of your car to the value of your life.

[Nate tha' Great]

I estimate that my winrate declines about thusly when I drink beer while playing:

Drinks consumed / Marginal Decline in Winrate / Cumulative Decline in Winrate

1 / -0.05 BBhr / -0.05BBhr
2 / -0.05 BBhr / -0.10BBhr
3 / -0.10 BBhr / -0.20BBhr
4 / -0.15 BBhr / -0.35BBhr
5 / -0.20 BBhr / -0.55BBhr
6 / -0.30 BBhr / -0.85BBhr

Let's assume that I am intending to 4-table Party Poker 15/30 for a 4-hour session after consuming a 6-pack of beer. That is a total of 16 table hours.

The cost of each beer is as follows:
1: $24.00
2: $24.00
3: $48.00
4: $72.00
5: $96.00
6: $144.00
Cost of 6-pack of Goose Island: $7.99
Cook County Sales & Alcohol Tax: $0.45

Total Cost of Consuming a 6-pack: $464.44

[Mikey]

I think you got a point in your analysis wrong, and I'm going to help you see why.

"1)I say out of state because if your insurance goes up it can severely screw up your EV."

Your insurance may not go up in this individual instance but if you accumulate tickets, you recieve points, and with a certain amount of points, your insurance premiums will increase.

[James282]

[ QUOTE ]
The amount of data is too small, he forgot the Str8 Flush of speeding. It only happens once each 50 or 100K times speeding, but it is wondrous. The car accident. Can cost you anything from the value of your car to the value of your life.

[/ QUOTE ]

Show me the statistics on accidents increased from 55 mph to 65 mph. Then show me the accidents from 0-55 mph. If you are so afraid of accidents, then stay away from cars!
-James

[nykenny]

[ QUOTE ]
Next installment: I make money by getting conversations with my girlfriend out of the way while I'm in the car instead of while I'm at home and could be playing poker.


[/ QUOTE ]

welcome to a new poker realization! you finally have discovered the secrets of the experts! once the door is open, sky is the limit! other expert techniques include but are not limited to:

1) order in instead of going to restaurants
2) take shower in Gym at work
3) brush your teeth there too
4) watch movies on your computer in a 2 inch window between your poker tables
5) keep many bottle of water (drinks) around your computer
6) keep empty bottles near computer too!


OK next lesson on Tuesday...

Kenny

[LinusKS]

[ QUOTE ]
5) keep many bottle of water (drinks) around your computer
6) keep empty bottles near computer too!

[/ QUOTE ]

Just make sure you always follow the left-hand/right-hand rule. Always.