Ledererfan
09-25-2004, 04:53 AM
Why do people expect their opponents to fold down inferior hands simply because someone is being aggressive?
My first thought is that players call bets because they obviously don't know with any absolute certainty what the agressor may hold. Of course, if one knew for a fact that the aggressor had the much superior hand, i.e. AA vs 45s (an extreme example, which may not be a good analogy), that player should probably fold, but since this is a game of hidden information (I can't see my opponent's cards - usually!!), why wouldn't I attempt a draw (see the flop), especially if the bet/raise wasn't too steep?
Well, anyhow, lambasting an opponent at the table for playing an inferior hand and sucking out on the flop, turn or river seems conterproductive. Why would I want to tell my opponent what a horrible play he made? I would rather encourage him with remarks such as "very nice catch"!. "Goes to show that 'you don't need the biggest hand, only the best'" (Phil Helmuth)
I always hear players talking about, "I had your ass until the river". What's the point here? The opponent doesn't know that he's badly beaten! Hell, I guess I could say, upon looking at my 27o, that "I had you beat before you looked at your cards".
OK, so, if I'm holding, for example, KK and my opponent should bet me 2/3 of my stack, should I assume that he has me beaten and fold immediately? What if I call and he's got AA and I catch a lucky flop with a K, would that be considered a suck out, and would I then be considered an idiot for calling this bet?
How many people here would fold JTs to a player's aggressive bet pre-flop? And if we catch a 4-flush, should we fold to an all-in? What if we had A5s and caught a 4-flush no pair flop?
I'm done! awaiting my lambasting.
I hope my grammar was correct! Did I use "who" and "that" where appropriate?
My first thought is that players call bets because they obviously don't know with any absolute certainty what the agressor may hold. Of course, if one knew for a fact that the aggressor had the much superior hand, i.e. AA vs 45s (an extreme example, which may not be a good analogy), that player should probably fold, but since this is a game of hidden information (I can't see my opponent's cards - usually!!), why wouldn't I attempt a draw (see the flop), especially if the bet/raise wasn't too steep?
Well, anyhow, lambasting an opponent at the table for playing an inferior hand and sucking out on the flop, turn or river seems conterproductive. Why would I want to tell my opponent what a horrible play he made? I would rather encourage him with remarks such as "very nice catch"!. "Goes to show that 'you don't need the biggest hand, only the best'" (Phil Helmuth)
I always hear players talking about, "I had your ass until the river". What's the point here? The opponent doesn't know that he's badly beaten! Hell, I guess I could say, upon looking at my 27o, that "I had you beat before you looked at your cards".
OK, so, if I'm holding, for example, KK and my opponent should bet me 2/3 of my stack, should I assume that he has me beaten and fold immediately? What if I call and he's got AA and I catch a lucky flop with a K, would that be considered a suck out, and would I then be considered an idiot for calling this bet?
How many people here would fold JTs to a player's aggressive bet pre-flop? And if we catch a 4-flush, should we fold to an all-in? What if we had A5s and caught a 4-flush no pair flop?
I'm done! awaiting my lambasting.
I hope my grammar was correct! Did I use "who" and "that" where appropriate?