Another "Is it rigged" post but come on, tell me

[theredpill]

Ok, I'm having a major problem here. I feel like I just saw some aliens land on the planet. I'm having major problem believing a hand that just happened. The reason I'm having the problem is because of what happened yesterday.

Yesterday, I had A J

Flop A J 3

Turn 4

river 5

Guy shows A 2

This was an All-In situation from the flop. Ok, I was 96 % to win there.

Ok, today. $10 No Limit Buy-In at Paradise Poker
Both happened at Paradise. Not paradise anymore though.

I had 3d 4d in the big blind.

Flop: 2s 4c 4s

I bet .50 cuz Miller and Jones say to play it fast. ( ok to use in the same sentence ?)

Chump reraises me $2. I got All-In. I got a 99.6 % chance to win from here. I did the sim.

Chump shows 2c Kd

Turn: Ks

Yeah....it happened.

River: Kh

I lose $8 to a runner runner full house. Man, I couldn't believe it.

Someone tell me the truth. Is it rigged ? I'm gonna stop online poker altogether if it is. I'll just play B & M .

Are the fishies getting these wins to keep them playing ? It kind of seems that way. I was 96% to win yesterday and 99.6 % to win today. WTF. Twodimes showed me only losing 4 times out of about 990. I'm gonna start drinking and I don't drink.

[Synergistic Explosions]

Of course it's rigged that way. Unless of course you don't believe it is.

[Alobar]

I was gunna explain to you using mathmatics and probabilty why the situations you just described dont prove online is rigged. But then I realized that you are an idiot and wouldnt understand anyway, so I figured Id just call you an idiot as my only response.


so yeah.....you're an idiot

[Synergistic Explosions]

I know where he's coming from Alobar. I sometimes just can't believe what happens myself sometimes.

I sometimes get so mad, I believe they have a button they push to create bad beats over and over just for me. The 'SCREW BUTTON' they call it. Once pushed, you are screwed.

[busguy]

Just a suggestion, if you want to make, "is it rigged" posts do it in the beginner forum. They will probably go a little easier on you there. Here a post like this will get destroyed (for a number of reasons).

If you play poker long enough you will see beats like that, on-line, in B&M's, home games, video poker etc. It sucks but it's not rigged. Remember that's why they call them "odds" even a 999 to 1 shot WILL hit that 1 time.

/images/graemlins/wink.gif busguy

[theredpill]

I'm an idiot because I'm mad that I got a bad beat ? Is that not crazy ? I can understand maybe once every 4 days or week but two days in a row.

Ha, explain probability to me....I got a BS in Mathematics.

[TylerD]

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Twodimes showed me only losing 4 times out of about 990. I'm gonna start drinking and I don't drink.

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So its obviously rigged then....unless, its one of those 4 times.

[bpb]

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Ha, explain probability to me....I got a BS in Mathematics.

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Maybe if you stayed for the MS, you'd understand how stupid your original post is.

[Synergistic Explosions]

You have to believe in the 'SCREW BUTTON' for the conspiracy theory to work logically.

So go on your favorite site, type in the chat message that the sight sucks, they cheat, or whatever. If you noticed soon you are getting screwed, then that means there really is a SCREW BUTTON.

Then later, after getting screwed, type in the chat box that the site is the best of all, good support, quick cashouts, you wouldn't play anywhere else. If you notice you quit getting screwed, then odds are they pushed the SCREW BUTTON off again.

This is the scientific method that proves one way or the other of the validity of the SCREW BUTTON.

[citanul]

You will find that "is it rigged" and "bad beat" posts get little respect here.

With your BS in mathematics, I'm quite fine with you being angry with getting a bad beat here and there. You're going to be a worse poker player if you don't learn to deal with it well, but that's not the issue of this post.

To the point, when something doesn't happen 99 out of 100 times, that means it happens 1 out of 100 times.

Now, quick, with your degree in mathematics, tell me, how often does that mean you're going to complain every 10,000 hands? You may present the forum with your answer as a function of W (whine factor) being how close together bad beats have to occur to make you whine.

citanul

[theredpill]

I'm still gonna drink tonight.

[Alobar]

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I'm an idiot because I'm mad that I got a bad beat ? Is that not crazy ? I can understand maybe once every 4 days or week but two days in a row.

Ha, explain probability to me....I got a BS in Mathematics.

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If you want it to happen only once every 4 days or a week. Play fewer hands.

Did you get your dregree from that Sally Struthers school I saw advertised on tv?? You should have gone with the TV/VCR repair, I hear thats a much better program

[FlFishOn]

Not all sites are created equal.

[busguy]

LOL - yeah I knew about the "SCREW BUTTON", I just didn't think I could explain it very well (or near as well as yourself).

/images/graemlins/grin.gif busguy

[lorinda]

Ok, I'm having a major problem here. I feel like I just saw some aliens land on the planet.

I have been warning people here about the aliens for several years.

They are slowly but surely gathering the materials for their own poker game.
Eventually they will select the best amongst us and challenge us to a tournament with the Earth as first prize.

Two things worry me about this.

1. What did they take? Was it just another deck of cards, or did they get tables and chairs.

2. If Dutch Boyd ever gets people to believe he really has a clue, then it will be the crew versus the aliens for the planet, and I don't trust him not to do a deal.

Lori

[GrannyMae]

everyone needs to take cover when twitchy eye comes out.

she's my favorite.

http://smilies.sofrayt.com/%5E/b0/pray.gif

[MicroBob]

Do you watch baseball?
Have you ever seen Jeter or A-Rod make an error?
I'm guessing that their fielding-pct is around 97-98% or so.
So if you're at a Yankee game and one of them boots a ground-ball do you stand up in the stands and yell
"That only had a 3% chance of happening!! This game is rigged!! I mean REALLY, it's obvious that they are throwing it because the odds against something like that happening are HUGE!!"

What if there were two errors on the same play on a routine bunt allowing two runs to score? I'd say this happens less than 0.4% of the time. Paul Byrd and the Braves accomplished this the other day btw.
I don't think they were intentionally throwing the game.

How about the rash of missed extra-points in college-football lately?


If you don't watch baseball and have no idea about any of this stuff I'm talking about then my apologies. But for some I think these types of examples helps to put some of these 'amazing' poker happenings into proper context.


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I bet .50 cuz Miller and Jones say to play it fast. ( ok to use in the same sentence ?)

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Are you aware that both Miller and Jones wrote books on LIMIT poker and you are playing NO-LIMIT poker?

You really should swing by the No-Limit strategy forum and read some threads there.

Some of the general concepts of successful limit-poker can apply to NL.....but for the most part do you do not want to try to incorporate the principles of those books into a NL game and it would be really silly to do so.
They are different games!!


FWIW - Most people who complain about their bad-beats probably could have played the hand better in the first place (and increased their chance to win).
Also FWIW - No matter WHAT you do you will still suffer bad-beats. You ARE going to lose some hands. You will even have some losing days even if you are a world-class player.
since you obviously are not a world-class player we can stretch that out and say with confidence that you are going to have losing weeks sometimes NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO.
If you aren't prepared to have losing hands, days or weeks then shouldn't be playing.

[PITTM]

berate them and make them feel stupid, good job guys. yeah we;ve seen a billion poker is rigged posts. id say ignoring them or having a generic long run explaination that can be posted would be better. at this rate by next month there will be like 5000 people who have wondered about the validity of the deal who have been berated by 2+2, good way to go about your business...

rj

[lorinda]

berate them and make them feel stupid, good job guys. yeah we;ve seen a billion poker is rigged posts. id say ignoring them or having a generic long run explaination that can be posted would be better. at this rate by next month there will be like 5000 people who have wondered about the validity of the deal who have been berated by 2+2, good way to go about your business...


Better still berate the posters who teach you stuff.

When you've been here a while, you will realise that attempting to reason with some people, and this is one of those people, is futile.

Lori

[jwvdcw]

I've lost back to back tourney where I've had set over set(I had the higher set), we went all in on the flop, and he caught quads on either the turn or river. And that was live in person. It happens everywhere, not just online. Its part of poker.

[Poker Jet]

LOL Short Answer - NO IT S NOT RIGGED
Long Answer - Get your percentages Right!!

First one
he came on flop due to thinking u may be pushing on a Jack trying to get him out...

Percentages
You: 92.8
Him 7.2

You said you were 96% lol

[jasonHoldEm]

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Ha, explain probability to me....I got a BS in Mathematics.

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It doesn't take a degree in mathematics to understand bad beats, it takes a good player.

J

[PITTM]

uhh, so youre point is that i shouldnt try to reason with you, and that by attempting to reason with you i am berating you? yikes, you werent kidding.

rj

[Tosh]

I worry about the human race when I see things like this.

[Sponger15SB]

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I worry about the human race when I see things like this.

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There is a 92.8% chance I believe that.

[Alobar]

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I worry about the human race when I see things like this.

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You dont get to WALmart much do you? /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[PITTM]

you are rigged, because you dont believe it, oh im so clever!!

rj

[carlo]

This is my epiphany-a little joke but true.

Haven't been playing long and can feel the "negativity" and it's weakening effect but we play.

Poker Stars(6 max) .5/1 Delt K /images/graemlins/spade.gif,K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif on the button.(I KNOW the ace is coming).

UTG bets,MP calls, CO calls,Hero raises,SB calls,BB calls,UTG raises MP calls,CO folds,Hero caps, SB calls,BB calls,UTG calls,MP calls.

Flop(5 players) J /images/graemlins/heart.gif,6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif,2 /images/graemlins/club.gif
SB checks,BB checks,UTG bets,MP calls,Hero raises,SB folds,BB calls,UTG calls,MP calls

Turn(4 players) (J /images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif,2 /images/graemlins/club.gif) 4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif
check,check, MP bets,I KNOW he does not have 2 hearts),Hero raises, all call.

Guess on the river--Thats right A /images/graemlins/spade.gif--
(J /images/graemlins/heart.gif,6 /images/graemlins/heart.gif,2 /images/graemlins/club.gif,4 /images/graemlins/heart.gif) A /images/graemlins/spade.gif
Now guess what was in the other hands /images/graemlins/grin.gif.


BB A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif,9 /images/graemlins/club.gif
UTG A /images/graemlins/heart.gif,Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif
MP A /images/graemlins/club.gif,4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
Hero K /images/graemlins/spade.gif,K /images/graemlins/diamond.gif
A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 39 to 1 shot--I couldn't stop laughing-every time I think of this I warm up inside. This is definitely OZ and I can't wait for 200,000 hands to prove that the dealer sucks. No Dorothy, you are not in Kansas.

regards,
carlo

[Jimbo]

I hope you realize that you will lose that hand one in three times that all four players see the river. Hardly even qualifies as a bad beat, much less a site is rigged post.


Jimbo

[carlo]

I don't think I said the site is rigged--perhaps the cards of the other players are lost on you. Who could guess that each was holding an Ace and calling numerous bets to the river with Absolutely Nothing. You can't use stats to understand this. We were supposed to be playing poker, not counting the odds based upon an abstract idea which apparently states that K,K will only win 1 in 4. Ridiculous. I laugh about it daily and find this whole situation the norm, I know I'm in OZ. The real question is how did it happen? What are the odds on 3 people getting a pocket Ace in a six handed game and then blithly proceeding to the river and catching the 4th Ace? In a sense you're right in that if there was no betting(it must have seemed that way to the rest of the players) it might hit your ideal.
regards,
carlo

[Synergistic Explosions]

That is one hilarious hand. Let me guess, was it at the .50 tables at Party?

[Jimbo]

OK Carlos since you are a little bit slow think about it like this. Suppose it was you and the AQ going to the river with two of the aces dead you will still lose the hand. It makes no difference that 4 people saw the river. I suppose you will never understand that they might not have known you had pocket kings genius.


Jimbo

[mikech]

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A /images/graemlins/spade.gif 39 to 1 shot--I couldn't stop laughing-every time I think of this I warm up inside. This is definitely OZ and I can't wait for 200,000 hands to prove that the dealer sucks. No Dorothy, you are not in Kansas.


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Umm...do you realize that you don't lose just to the case ace?

[Jimbo]

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Umm...do you realize that you don't lose just to the case ace?

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Yeah, he missed the other three fours and any heart. But WOW it was the case ace that came! Not only that is was the A /images/graemlins/spade.gif. I wonder how he would have felt if it had been a 2nd A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif ?

Jimbo

[Alobar]

call the flop, raise the turn

[carlo]

I understand that I will lose to others(4's), and the flush, rather than the case ace(never would have posted such a hand if a 4 or heart hit). I believe this initial post is dealing with the dealing of the cards,etc. I really am not crying about the loss--I laughed too much to care. But I am looking at the whole situation objectively without personal considerations and I definitely consider the findings strange in that all the aces were there at the bitter end and the K's were sucking hind tit. My fear of the ace manifested not only once but in 4 spots. The original poster talked about sites being fixed but I was trying to say that OZ was more likely and that ordinary thinking doesn't apply. The flush or 4(2 of them) didn't show, only the supreme long shot which hit EVERYONE but the Kings.
There have been some posts about randomness of the deal,etc. and I have been involved in some of these. The exclusively statistical people state that "anything can happen, suck it up and get on with it,--take your punishment and quit whining". Others may try to understand in a different manner. If a toronado hits your home the"take your punishment" stuff would be a little outrageous. Finding perspective is important and can help one to "suck it up" and charge on with strength. Alittle humor will help. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif
regards,
carlo

[beernutz]

From the post: "Poker Stars(6 max) .5/1 "

[NLSoldier]

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I'll just play B & M .

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Be careful, the B&M that i play at is rigged too. Last night my Rockets got cracked by a guys rivered gutshot in a $400 kill pot, then my 3 of a kind top kicker got beat by a 90yr old lady's pocket fours which got a 4 on the river for a boat.

If you really want to avoid rigged hands, the only way to do it is to play in a home game where you are always the dealer and rig it yourself.

[Blarg]

I had what turned out to be a rotten night last night. Shame because it was my third in a row, and I was flying high for a while too, so it felt worse than it really was. Not a tragedy, but let me relate and then show you why I'm telling the story.

Anyway, I was four-tabling at Pokerroom. I was on their 5-max tables. One was a 1/2, one a 2/4, and two were 3/6's. I had been spending just a few hours at 1/2 and 2/4, but then went to 3/6 when my tables closed and had been there for an hour. Anyway, I was up well over $300, but let's just call it $300. Suddenly I lost about 17 hands in a row. People were literally calling and even raising with hands like 8,4 offsuit and 9,3 offsuit and catching every time. Last card inside straights, you name it. Then I won one small one, lost another two, won another small one, and lost a couple more. Finally my system slowed down and my cursor started acting funny. It changed shape and became a weird thing with four arrows pointing in the cardinal directions. I don't think I ever believed more that I could have been hacked or something. In half an hour, on those relatively small change tables, I gave up the $300-plus I had made and another $120 besides. It was right when I was about to clear my $150 Pokerroom bonus.

Well, here's the thing. One time I was in a casino playing stud and I got as my first three cards, three 9's. THREE TIMES in a row.

There's no way that should ever happen in your lifetime. Check out the math yourself. I wouldn't blame anyone for thinking cheating was going on. Heck, in Ye Olde Weste I might have gotten shot for getting those cards. Yet it happened.

Crazy stuff happens in poker. I remind myself of truly preposterous good things when I can to help me get over the hump when astounding, seemingly impossible bad luck comes my way. Really crazy stuff really does happen in life, and in poker. Play long enough, and you'll see that.

[Overdrive]

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Crazy stuff happens in poker. Really crazy stuff really does happen in life, and in poker. Play long enough, and you'll see that.

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In the book "Poker Nation" by Andy Bellin he talks about the time he was dealt pocket Aces five times in a row - this was in a B&M casino - not online. If you play poker long enough you will see everything and anything, and on-line since you generally see twice as many hands as live you will see more 'strange' things quicker and more often.

I would love to see what people would post if they were sitting at an on-line table and one of their opponets got dealt pocket Aces five times in a row lol.

[Drunk Bob]

Yep it's rigged. Now go away.

If you wanna whine and get drunk over a couple of bad beats join the club.

I get drunk every night and take at least one bad beat. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[dogmeat]

Alright, I'll be the first to come clean. It is all rigged. Stop playing now while you can! I'm just playing because I know what is going to happen, so I'm winning.

Dogmeat /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

[RollaJ]

yes we all play every day because its rigged

[CORed]

With a sample size of 2, how could anyone deny that you have proven that online poker is rigged?

BTW, I don't think making a minimum bet an a NL game qualifies as "playing fast"

[VarlosZ]

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When you've been here a while, you will realise that attempting to reason with some people, and this is one of those people, is futile.

[/ QUOTE ]
True, but the fact that it's probably impossible to persuade someone of the truth doesn't justify insulting him with no provocation.

I know it wasn't you who said it but, if you wouldn't call someone an idiot to his face, you shouldn't be calling him an idiot online, either.