Lost on a double-paired board

[dfscott]

My river play was terrible here, but what about the rest of this?

MP3 seems to be fairly loose and about average in aggression.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, MP3 calls, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (7 SB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(7 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP3 calls, SB folds, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: (5 BB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, BB folds, Hero calls.

River: (9 BB) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 11 BB, between Hero and MP3.</font>

[easypete]

Why are you betting this hyper-weak draw into a field of 6 opponents w/ a paired board? (btw... i checked 3 times for possible made straights /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

And what's up w/ that river call?

[Festus22]

I don't like the flop bet nor calling the turn raise and especially calling the river raise. Yikes, hat trick!

In an unraised 7 limper pot, your opponents could have anything and there's a 50% chance someone has a 4 (7% chance per player I believe). Of course it's possible one was folded but you can't know that. Since it's even money you're drawing all but dead, I don't want to commit chips with mediocore overcards and a backdoor draw.

Once board is double-paired and you're raised, it's time to bail. You're still only 4:1 to make your hand and it's much more likely than not your flush will be no good anyway.

River, well....I think you already know the answer.

[dfscott]

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Why are you betting this hyper-weak draw into a field of 6 opponents w/ a paired board? (btw... i checked 3 times for possible made straights /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

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Just was using the SSH "big pot" rule and felt like it was worth fighting over and a raise might clean up some overcard outs.

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And what's up w/ that river call?

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Temporary (hopefully) insanity.

[IndieMatty]

This is a clear check and fold. You can't win every hand..unless this guy ends up having 2's.

Turn Check - Call I guess. River Fold.

I really don't understand this hand. And no furthur analysis of why you should fold numerous times here is necesary. Remember your trying to win money not individual hands.

Play Well.

[MoreWineII]

Check/fold on all streets, imo.

[IndieMatty]

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Just was using the SSH "big pot" rule and felt like it was worth fighting over and a raise might clean up some overcard outs.

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I haven't read the book, but this must be a misapplication.

Right? Anybody want to elaborate on this?

[easypete]

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Just was using the SSH "big pot" rule and felt like it was worth fighting over and a raise might clean up some overcard outs.

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I think part of the "big pot" rule is having a hand that can win with. This, I don't believe, is one of those hands.

[Bad Beat Story Detector]

preflop: good
postflop: bad


fold the flop, fold the turn, fold the river.

folding is the best play a lot of the time.

[dfscott]

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Just was using the SSH "big pot" rule and felt like it was worth fighting over and a raise might clean up some overcard outs.

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I haven't read the book, but this must be a misapplication.

Right? Anybody want to elaborate on this?

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If memory serves, he says that as a general rule, you can consider a big pot:

1) any pot raised pre-flop with 4+ players seeing the flop
2) any pot where 6+ players are seeing the flop
3) any pot that's capped pre-flop

Although in this case, I think I agree with the other poster who said you need to have a decent shot in order to make it worthwhile.

Thanks all -- I keep posting hand after hand that everyone says I'm playing ok, so it's a relief to finally find something that I'm doing wrong that I can actually fix.

[IndieMatty]

We all need a kick in the ass once in a while. I sat at a table with you a bit last night, and I saw nothing to assume this would ever be your line. (I dont think you were in any hands) Insert Hated Emoticon Here.

[MoreWineII]

Maybe you just saw this post and made it a point to sit at his table.

(I kid, I kid!)

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[dfscott]

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We all need a kick in the ass once in a while. I sat at a table with you a bit last night, and I saw nothing to assume this would ever be your line. (I dont think you were in any hands) Insert Hated Emoticon Here.

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Thanks for the support.

I think I get into "superior mode" occasionally where I try to beat the fish instead of win money, and then pat myself on the back for taking down a 3BB pot. The BR damage is curing me, however.

[dfscott]

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Maybe you just saw this post and made it a point to sit at his table.

(I kid, I kid!)

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OUCH!

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[chesspain]

"Well, Alex, I'll take 'Free Cards on the Flop' in this early Jeopardy round."

[chesspain]

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fold the flop, fold the turn, fold the river.

folding is the best play a lot of the time.

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...except when one isn't yet facing a bet--like on the flop. /images/graemlins/blush.gif