Combination hand

[Zelcious]

Party 10+1 NL SnG.

I always fold this hand, even at BB. This time I didn't and it hit me pretty good. Got a combination hand. I played it wrong, but the question is should I have moved in on the flop, fold it on the flop and say that I played it like I did on the flop what would my move be on the turn ?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (8 handed)

MP2 (t450)
CO (t1760)
Button (t270)
SB (t1405)
Hero (t740)
UTG (t305)
UTG+1 (t1795)
MP1 (t1275)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t30, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, <font color="CC3333">Button raises to t60</font>, SB calls t45, Hero calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30.

Flop: (t240) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets t275</font>, Button calls t210 (All-In), SB folds, Hero calls t275.

Turn: (t1000) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="CC3333">Hero bets t405 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 calls t405.

River: (t1810) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1810

[parappa]

I think I lay this down on the flop. I can't have any confidence that my king's any good, so I just have a generic sort of flush draw and I'm not willing to invest that much of my stack on it. Plenty of times at 10+1 they won't have a king (or anything), but I can get my chips in in a better spot later, I think.

[RobGW]

This is a trap hand not a combination hand. Your King is no good so you are depending on your flush draw. You are not getting proper odds to chase and if you do chase you have to realize you are putting your whole tourney on the line. Thats a major difference between ring games and tourneys. Draws will be your undoing in tourneys.

[SmileyEH]

I would go all in over the top of the UTG+1 raiser on the flop. Assuming your K is no good, you have 9 flush outs and 3 outs to the 8. This makes you slightly worse than a 48% dog to a player with a higher kicked king. If you can get UTG+1 to fold, you have an extra 200 chips in the pot toward a showdown with the SS.

Still a fold preflop though.

[Zelcious]

Btw On this particular hand, the short stack had a inside straight draw on the flop and the other stack had a QJ. So both hit on the turn. I must have been a huge favorite on the flop. My opponents only had one two queens and two jacks as outs and even if they hit, I had lots of outs.
However I didn't know that and if I had known I wouldn't have played it like that, obviously. Played the whole hand very weak.

[housenuts]

that's a tough one. the problem with moving-in on the flop is UTG+1 will be fairly pot committed. i would have to expect he'd call if he hit the flop at all. if you lay it down you only lose your 60 investment preflop.