No retail clays seem like casinos clays?

[TenPercenter]

I need some help understanding this. It may be a simple answer, someone just bonk me on the head if so.

I've gotten samples from many chip companies, before settling on the Chipcos for my Egyptian set. While handling the true clay chip varieties, I noticed that they do not at all seem like the material that I have always felt/seen in casinos that use clays (non-Chipco). I even have a Paulson top-hat here, a red $5 chip from Luxor (of course /images/graemlins/smile.gif).

Here's what I'm comparing:

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An ASM horsehead chip from pokerchips.com (with brass flakes in the clay)
Another ASM chip, solid color with diamonds in circles (with brass flakes in the clay)
NJ Martini Club
NJ with "Nevada" mold
A "super diamond" chip, that costs .08 at 5stardeals
A well used Paulson chip from a casino [/list]

Ok, here's where I need to come up with some adjectives to describe what I'm feeling. The bottom line is all chips except the used casino chip feel/sound the same to me. The material is very very hard, no softness or pliability like the casino chip. The Paulson seems to have a little "give" to it, without being soft and chalky like All-In chips, or the 13g slug chips.

What really gets me is that I can barely tell the difference in my super diamond chips vs. the ASM pokerships.com chips. I'm talking about materials here. The cehap chips have mold flashings, and are boring looking, but they feel and sound the same.

All the non-casino chips have a really sharp edges too. I figure casino chips are so well used that the sharpness has worn off them, so I can understand this.

The pokerchips.com chips are what everyone says are "really close" to a real casino chip. Admittedly, these are the best quality from the samples I have, but they are just as hard a "clinky" as the other non-casino chips. The casino chip seems to have more of a "heavy" "thud" sound, and wants to stay put when tossed. The others are slicker, and bounce around more. They all seem to weigh about the same, from 9.5 to 10g.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

I reread my post, and I didn't focus enough on the material. That is what is throwing me off. The ASM chips and the NJ chips are very hard material, not clay-like at all. The casino/Paulson top-hat has a true "clay feel" to it.

Say I walked up to a person that knows ZIP about poker chips. I hand him two chips, the top-hat and the horsehead. I ask him, "Are those made of clay?" He'd tell me the top-hat IS, and the horsehead ISN'T. They are that different.

Ten

(yes, I fully understand that there are NO REAL clay chips anymore, not for many decades. But the casino chip really does seem like clay to me.)

[TabascoJRC]

I am in 100% agreement here, every chip i have gotten feels "hard" I think that's why i like the NJ and chipcos they feel hard, but they are supposed to and its a different kind of hard.

The sound of the home "clays" are a clank. not a "clink like the metal insert, but a clank or clack, its hard to describe in words but it isn't the same as a casino.

I will say this I have a bag full of all my samples and my ASM horsehead is starting to get a worn in feel that is better, but not the same.
-Jeremy

Edit: just reread my post and boy does it sound dirty

[MSPatton]

What is a "true clay" feel anyway. Did you ever make an ashtray in art class, or mold your hand print in clay? Would this be "true clay" feel. Both those items are hard and brittle and would shatter into pieces if dropped on the kitchen floor. Maybe folks think Paulson seems like clay because when they go to most casinos they either play with Paulson or Chipco and the mass's have stereotyped Paulson as clay and Chipco as ceramic and are unwilling to accept others as the same. ASM got out of most casino work because casinos were not willing to pay the price for the quality product they produced. Paulson found a way to make a cheaper, in cost, chip and and the casinos wanted to save money. Point, one of my employees was at the Bellagio a few weeks age and brough back 300 $1 chips from the poker room. Very few had centered spots and <font color="blue"> </font> the spots were rarely facing the same direction on both sides, ever see an ASM that was this way? This really has nothing to do with feel of the chips, my point really is that since Paulson took the majority of the "clay" casino work from ASM years back there seems to be a concensus that this is the real "clay" chip, where ASM has been doing "clay" chips for almost 75 years. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but for me.......I'll take ASM chips every time! <font color="blue"> </font>

[TenPercenter]

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What is a "true clay" feel anyway. Did you ever make an ashtray in art class, or mold your hand print in clay? Would this be "true clay" feel. Both those items are hard and brittle and would shatter into pieces if dropped on the kitchen floor. Maybe folks think Paulson seems like clay because when they go to most casinos they either play with Paulson or Chipco and the mass's have stereotyped Paulson as clay and Chipco as ceramic and are unwilling to accept others as the same. ASM got out of most casino work because casinos were not willing to pay the price for the quality product they produced. Paulson found a way to make a cheaper, in cost, chip and and the casinos wanted to save money. Point, one of my employees was at the Bellagio a few weeks age and brough back 300 $1 chips from the poker room. Very few had centered spots and <font color="blue"> </font> the spots were rarely facing the same direction on both sides, ever see an ASM that was this way? This really has nothing to do with feel of the chips, my point really is that since Paulson took the majority of the "clay" casino work from ASM years back there seems to be a concensus that this is the real "clay" chip, where ASM has been doing "clay" chips for almost 75 years. I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but for me.......I'll take ASM chips every time! <font color="blue"> </font>

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I understand all that. I also agree that the quality of these ASM samples I have is top notch. But do you agree about the "hardness" of the ASM chip? Seriously, it is just like the super diamond chip in material hardness.

Another note. I like the brass flakes in the ASM chips. I think that's kinda cool. But I swear I've seen that before in a Vegas casino. It was in one of the downtown casinos that I saw this, but I can't say which one. But those chips had the softer, colder, worn feeling that I am associating with Paulson, not ASM. Do some Paulsons have that metal flake in their clay material?

Or maybe that old casino used ASM, and ASM's get to be like my Luxor Paulson chip if it gets heavy use like in a casino? If one of those 300 $1 Bellagio chips is brand new, unused, is it harder/sharper than the others that look well-handled?

Ten

[submariner]

If this is too off of your topic, I apologize. Where (if at all) in your list, do the cheap chips that you get,for instance as a signup bonus, fall? To me they look/feel like Bakelite.

[TabascoJRC]

Let's just forget the word clay, and say casino style, I don't really care what they are made of. ASM chips are surely very nice chips. It just so happens that all the chips I grew accustomed to in the casino's were paulson's. That is the feel I got used to. That's the feel I like. If ASM had held the market I would probably like them better. The end result is that whatever the casino's use is what the home player is going to want. Now the question still remains why no one has duplicated that feel. Not even the Endy's who supposedly were part of Paul-son now running Blue Chip. ASM are my favorite home poker "casino style" chip. But they still don't feel like the ones IN the casino. Whether they are a better quality chip I don't know, but i don't think that's the reason for this thread.

[MSPatton]

Both ASM and Paulson have to add somethin to their chips to
get the weight up. ASM uses the "brass powder" which is what
you see on the edges. Paulson used to use "lead Powder" in
their chips for weight. It was cheaper and having most of
their chips made in Mexico is even cheaper. I do not know
what is added to Paulsons for weight now, but I would assume
that whatever both these mfg's add to their "clay" would also
affect the feel and sound of their chips. I agree ASM chips
have a harder, more brittle, feel. For me that's OK, I like
the sound of them "clacking" and have had no problem with
wear. I actually think they get better with age. As for the Bellagio
chips, I don't recall as my employee uses them in her home games
and keeps them locked up. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[sprmario]

I wanted real casino like chips which is why I bought in on the chipco chips by 10%er but I like the paulson ones better as well. I never liked the chipco ones as much when I played in casinos that used chipco. But still... chipco is better than some knock-off. I just can't wait to get my chips... I hope the October 1 date is still looking good for them to ship from chipco.

I was thinking of sneaking off w/ a rack of chipco chips from the Seminole Hard Rock (I think they use chipco since they are actually pictured on the chipco site). I'm curious if this is technically illegal to take chips instead of cashing them in. I am sure they normally don't care if you are taking any amt greater than $1 and are probably somewhat indifferent in taking $1 chips but I was actually looking at taking 50 cent chips (we have some pretty low stakes poker here in FL).

[toots]

I have to agree with much of what's been said here.

On the other hand, I've purchased a BUNCH of brand-spanking-new Paul-Son chips, albeit the ones they used to make for home use.

Right out of the box, they distinctly did not feel like a casino chip. Dusty, sharp edged, sort of gritty feeling. The weight's right and they do have that little bit of bounce to them, but all else felt... wrong.

After months of fiddling with them, I've come to the conclusion that this is what "new" chips feel like. At least new clay chips. Indeed, having recently bought a few brand-spanking-new Binions chips (from their reopening by Harrahs), those new Paul-Son chips feel just as foreign as the "home" chips that I'd had prior experience with.

The ones we find in the casinos are more often than not heavily worn, and heavily worn in important ways. First, the wear and tear rounds off the rough edges, and second, continual handling tends to infuse them with oils from peoples' hands, which makes them slicker and softer.

Indeed, if I fiddle with a new set of Paul-Sons long enough, they do begin to take on the qualities of what I'm accustomed to in the casinos.

With that in mind, I've tried subjecting other chips to the same sort of treatment, where the categories of "other" are quite limited.

I've got some "Blue Chip" (clamshell mold) fan of cards chips. After continuous use, they start to take on more of Paul-Son feel, but they remain harder feeling, lighter feeling, and have more of a hollow sound when stacked or dropped.

The ASM samples I have came pre-oiled, and had a pretty good, albeit hard feel to them, and so far, nothing's changed.

Then there's one other brand - forget the brand name - that has a "crown" molding and is often sold with inlays that say "King's Crown." Just don't like the feel of them at all, even though they feel more like "Clay" chips than plastic.

In addition, I've come across some authentic Paul-Son casino chips that have metal flakes in their composition, most notably some of the Vineyard Casino chips (busted CA casino), and the $25 chip from Foxwoods. I don't like the feel of these, as the contrast in hardness between the "clay" and the metal flakes leads to uneven wear.

The unfortunate truth seems to be that the only way you'll get the real casino feel to your chips is to see that they've been subjected to just as much wear as real casino chips, and there's virtually no way that you can make that happen in a timeframe that helps one make an informed decision before buying your chips.

[Johnny5]

I agree with Ten. I also purchased custom Chipcos, because I didn't feel that the ASM chips were quite right.

My problems were:
- Hardness of the chip made it feel cheap
- Sticker in center peeled off too easily
- Looking closely at the chip, there is a criss-cross pattern (mesh) on it that i didn't care for.

Overall, just too plasticky when directly compared to some casino tophats i have. I'm sure wearing in the chips would help, but i don't think the chips will get 'softer' in time to match the casino chips.

J5

[TenPercenter]

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If this is too off of your topic, I apologize. Where (if at all) in your list, do the cheap chips that you get,for instance as a signup bonus, fall? To me they look/feel like Bakelite.

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YES! That's a good description. ASM chips to me feel closer to Bakelite, if a bit less brittle, than casino chips. A bit less brittle, and a bit "warmer" than Bakelite. The cheapo "super diamond" chips have a closer feel to Bakelite than ASM chips, but they are very close. Neither have the slightly gummy (very slightly), soft, earthen feel of a casino chip.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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ASM are my favorite home poker "casino style" chip. But they still don't feel like the ones IN the casino. Whether they are a better quality chip I don't know, but i don't think that's the reason for this thread.

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Exactly right. I was not asking about quality. I mean hell, I bought Chipcos! If you want new, true casino chips from a retail purchase, Chipco is the best way to achieve that now. In the process, I have gained a great interest in poker chips, and I've just really wondered why some people always say that the ASM pokerchips.com chips are just like casino chips, and I'm confused by their hardness of material.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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I wanted real casino like chips which is why I bought in on the chipco chips by 10%er but I like the paulson ones better as well. I never liked the chipco ones as much when I played in casinos that used chipco. But still... chipco is better than some knock-off. I just can't wait to get my chips... I hope the October 1 date is still looking good for them to ship from chipco.

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Me too. Before I thought about getting really nice chips, I never really thought twice about who made what chips in a casino. Thinking back, now I can remember feeling the Chipcos vs. the clays in casinos, but I really didn't care at the time. When you know NOTHING about chips, the word "clay" is the selling point, as proven by so many people buying 11.5 slugs simply for the word "clay" in the description of "clay composite."

BTW: Oct 1st is still the proposed ship date (from Chipco). It feels like time is CRAWLING....


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I was thinking of sneaking off w/ a rack of chipco chips from the Seminole Hard Rock (I think they use chipco since they are actually pictured on the chipco site). I'm curious if this is technically illegal to take chips instead of cashing them in. I am sure they normally don't care if you are taking any amt greater than $1 and are probably somewhat indifferent in taking $1 chips but I was actually looking at taking 50 cent chips (we have some pretty low stakes poker here in FL).

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If there is a casino with 25¢ Chipco chips, someone tell me! I'll grab a rack of those in a heartbeat.

Ten

[TenPercenter]

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I have to agree with much of what's been said here.

On the other hand, I've purchased a BUNCH of brand-spanking-new Paul-Son chips, albeit the ones they used to make for home use.

Right out of the box, they distinctly did not feel like a casino chip. Dusty, sharp edged, sort of gritty feeling. The weight's right and they do have that little bit of bounce to them, but all else felt... wrong.

After months of fiddling with them, I've come to the conclusion that this is what "new" chips feel like. At least new clay chips. Indeed, having recently bought a few brand-spanking-new Binions chips (from their reopening by Harrahs), those new Paul-Son chips feel just as foreign as the "home" chips that I'd had prior experience with.

The ones we find in the casinos are more often than not heavily worn, and heavily worn in important ways. First, the wear and tear rounds off the rough edges, and second, continual handling tends to infuse them with oils from peoples' hands, which makes them slicker and softer.

Indeed, if I fiddle with a new set of Paul-Sons long enough, they do begin to take on the qualities of what I'm accustomed to in the casinos.

With that in mind, I've tried subjecting other chips to the same sort of treatment, where the categories of "other" are quite limited.

I've got some "Blue Chip" (clamshell mold) fan of cards chips. After continuous use, they start to take on more of Paul-Son feel, but they remain harder feeling, lighter feeling, and have more of a hollow sound when stacked or dropped.

The ASM samples I have came pre-oiled, and had a pretty good, albeit hard feel to them, and so far, nothing's changed.

Then there's one other brand - forget the brand name - that has a "crown" molding and is often sold with inlays that say "King's Crown." Just don't like the feel of them at all, even though they feel more like "Clay" chips than plastic.

In addition, I've come across some authentic Paul-Son casino chips that have metal flakes in their composition, most notably some of the Vineyard Casino chips (busted CA casino), and the $25 chip from Foxwoods. I don't like the feel of these, as the contrast in hardness between the "clay" and the metal flakes leads to uneven wear.

The unfortunate truth seems to be that the only way you'll get the real casino feel to your chips is to see that they've been subjected to just as much wear as real casino chips, and there's virtually no way that you can make that happen in a timeframe that helps one make an informed decision before buying your chips.

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Ok, this post brings a little sense to me. So it's the use only that makes the casino chip feel the way it does. I suspected as much. That's why I wanted to ask about that stack of Bellagio chips the MSPatton's emp brought home. I wanted to know if they saw a difference in a brand new Paulson vs a well used Paulson. Is the new Paulson more like the new ASM?

So toots, have you carried an ASM horsehead around in your pocket, or subjected it to enough use to see if it becomes softer and less sharp?

Ten

[oumagic]

Johnny5:
Did you say that the label peepled off the ASM chips easily? Has anyone else seen this? I was going to buy some because I've heard that the label is molded into the chip and will not come off. Off of their website:
"With a printed center custom chip, the printing is protected by clear PVC vinyl and molded directly into the body of the chip."
I'm asking because the samples that I received did not have labels...

[TenPercenter]

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Johnny5:
Did you say that the label peepled off the ASM chips easily? Has anyone else seen this? I was going to buy some because I've heard that the label is molded into the chip and will not come off. Off of their website:
"With a printed center custom chip, the printing is protected by clear PVC vinyl and molded directly into the body of the chip."
I'm asking because the samples that I received did not have labels...

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My ASM label is like they said, molded into the chip. I can't see how it could ever come off. It doeslook like a label though.

Ten

[sprmario]

http://www.chipco.com/display%202004/hardrock3.htm

Look at the bottom 2 chips.

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If there is a casino with 25¢ Chipco chips, someone tell me! I'll grab a rack of those in a heartbeat.


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[TenPercenter]

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http://www.chipco.com/display%202004/hardrock3.htm

Look at the bottom 2 chips.

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If there is a casino with 25¢ Chipco chips, someone tell me! I'll grab a rack of those in a heartbeat.


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Ok, who wants to get me 200 .25 chips from the Seminole Hard Rock, and ship them to me for face value + shipping + 25% inconvenience fee?

Ten

[sprmario]

I was planning on heading over there tomorrow. I've only played in 1 live game at a casino ever at hollywood park in LA about 8 years ago. The last time I went I didn't play poker but I remember seeing a lot of white chips and I don't remember seeing the blue and yellows but I only looked at a couple of tables... Like I said before... would they get freaked out if you walked out w/ a rack or two of these? Is it stealing? I've walked out of casinos w/ black chips and higher and I'm sure they could care less, but these where the face value is actually less than the value of the chip might be another story. I'd prefer to not get arrested for theft by leaving w/ some. Just curious if anyone knows.

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Ok, who wants to get me 200 .25 chips from the Seminole Hard Rock, and ship them to me for face value + shipping + 25% inconvenience fee?

Ten

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[TenPercenter]

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I was planning on heading over there tomorrow. I've only played in 1 live game at a casino ever at hollywood park in LA about 8 years ago. The last time I went I didn't play poker but I remember seeing a lot of white chips and I don't remember seeing the blue and yellows but I only looked at a couple of tables... Like I said before... would they get freaked out if you walked out w/ a rack or two of these? Is it stealing? I've walked out of casinos w/ black chips and higher and I'm sure they could care less, but these where the face value is actually less than the value of the chip might be another story. I'd prefer to not get arrested for theft by leaving w/ some. Just curious if anyone knows.

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Ok, who wants to get me 200 .25 chips from the Seminole Hard Rock, and ship them to me for face value + shipping + 25% inconvenience fee?

Ten

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Mario, don't get arrested! I need you to be home to sign for your UPS package of Egyptian chips! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Ten

[no, they're not here yet...]

[toots]

Actually, I found the new Paul-Son chips to be somewhere between new Blue Chip and new ASM in feel. The Blue Chips feel obnoxiously harder, and using one to scratch the other, they are indeed harder, yet lighter. The ASMs (pre-oiled) feel a little better, but more obnoxiously sharp cornered, and just feel a little more "concrete" (porous, brittle) than Paul-Son.

No, I haven't carried any around in my pocket, as I've been lavishing most of my abuse on the Paul-Son and Blue Chips, mainly to see how the two wear.

As for the inlays on the ASMs - the samples I have are the older "small" inlays; the Paul-Sons as well. That criss-cross pattern on both is part of the inlay being molded into the chip, and something I look for as a good thing. In fact, the $100 Foxwoods chip I carry around (which has a small inlay, unlike the full graphic used on their smaller denomination chips) also has that texture.

And, I can't imagine the inlay peeling off any of the three styles.

Comparing the Fan of Cards Paul-Son against the Fan of Cards Blue Chip against the lower denomination full-graphic inlay Foxwoods chips:

Blue chip is lightest

All three have that criss-cross texture around the edges of the inlay, but the centers of the inlay feel more like they're on top of the chip, rather than molded in.

With extended handling, the blue chips start showing dimples in the center of their inlays, almost as if there's a small hole at the center of the chip. Neither flavor of Paul-Son chips show this sort of wear; if anything, they might show a slight bulge in the center, but often hardly noticable.

The Blue Chips tend to have consistenly poorer centering of their inlays, in both the Fan of Cards full graphic, and the grand inlay Bond clones. Paul-Son ain't always perfect in this regard, but Blue Chip is worse.

Comparing Grand Inlay chips (that is, larger than the inlays on the Paul-Son Bond chips, but smaller than the full graphic inlays on the Fan of Cards chips), all three types: Blue Chip Bond clones, Paul-Son Casino Chips (new Binions) and Paul-Son home chips (sports series, "Gambler's Pleasure" series), the inlays feel most like stickers rather than molded in of any of the rest. The Blue Chips feel most like they'd come off, but none of them inspire any confidence in me.

If I were ordering custom chips, I'd either go for the smaller inlay with the nice "woven" feel to the inlay, or I'd go with the full graphic inlay, but I definitely don't like any incarnation of the grand inlay examples.

And, while I feel that the pre-oiled ASMs had the best "brand new chip" feel among ASM, Paul-Son and Blue Chip, I think that with use, my preference for them rapidly slides.

Paul-Son is still my clear favorite, just for the way they wear and how they sound. Blue Chip is a substitute, perhaps, if you can't find better, and ASM is at least in consideration.

And I still despise Chipcos.

[Accident]

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Another note. I like the brass flakes in the ASM chips. I think that's kinda cool. But I swear I've seen that before in a Vegas casino. It was in one of the downtown casinos that I saw this, but I can't say which one. But those chips had the softer, colder, worn feeling that I am associating with Paulson, not ASM. Do some Paulsons have that metal flake in their clay material?



Ten

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I have some $100 Paulson's that definitely have a metal flake in them. Looks like silver. They are from the Vineyard casino that closed in California or whatever the story is.
Accident /images/graemlins/club.gif

[Accident]

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http://www.chipco.com/display%202004/hardrock3.htm

Look at the bottom 2 chips.


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If there is a casino with 25¢ Chipco chips, someone tell me! I'll grab a rack of those in a heartbeat.


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Ok, who wants to get me 200 .25 chips from the Seminole Hard Rock, and ship them to me for face value + shipping + 25% inconvenience fee?

Ten

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I saw an auction on eBay a few months ago. 25cent chips from an Indian Casino in south Florida. They ONLY used the 25's for change or 1.5 odds on some table game they had. You could not buy a rack of them from the cage. The seller said he had played (blackjack??) for 3 or 4 hours in order to get 20 of the 25 cent chips. THey sold for aobut 50 bucks if I recall correctly.
Accident.

PS, this quote deal has me all screwed up obviously!

[sprmario]

You can't play black jack at indian casinos in florida. The only thing you can play is poker, bingo and slot machines. That's it. I didn't get a chance to go this weekend because of that little hurricane thing. I'll try next weekend.

[sprmario]

So I went to the Seminole Hard Rock yesterday and they only were using $1, $2, and $5 chips in all their games. The $1/2 games had $1 small and big blinds.

[Johnny5]

Sorry - been in Niagara - the new Fallsview casino uses some chips i've never seen before - don't like them, and they don't compare to the old Casino's top hats (the $100 and $500 have brass dust in them, but the smaller denoms don't seem to).

I got a couple of samples from pokerchips.com. 1 with a small inlay, and one with a large. Center label easily peeled off the large (didn't try the small), leaving 1/2 of the image (faded) on the chip &amp; the other 1/2 on the sticker.

Just 1 of the reasons I didn't get them.

J5

[BigBaitsim (milo)]

I would be interested in getting a few racks of those as well. Same deal as Ten-percenter!

Something tells me you can't just go up and ask for "four racks of quarters."

-Milo

[FMINUS]

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[RollaJ]

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The pokerchips.com chips are what everyone says are "really close" to a real casino chip. Admittedly, these are the best quality from the samples I have, but they are just as hard a "clinky" as the other non-casino chips. The casino chip seems to have more of a "heavy" "thud" sound, and wants to stay put when tossed. The others are slicker, and bounce around more. They all seem to weigh about the same, from 9.5 to 10g.

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pokerchips.com ones are really good, just like new casino ones, I think the big difference you are feeling is the thousands of hours of use on a real casino chips. The oils from everybody touching them softens them up over time, and the wera and tear rounds the edges.

They really are everything you could ask for

[italianstang]

The chips made for Nevada Jacks are manufactured by Blue Chip Co. in Las Vegas. As we know, Blue Chip Co. is owned by the Endy family, which previously owned Paulson until a French Company bought it. According to Dave Endy, the son and their sales rep guy, their chip (The Blue Chip chip which is sold by NevadaJacks with two different molds, made for casinos with a sunburst mold, and sold retail with a "five flames" mold that kind of looks like half a seashell) is "harder" than the Paulson chip. Dave insists that this makes it a more durable chip, while still being made of the same stuff.

[Arsene Lupin III]

i have about 2200 paulson scandia casino chips..

none of the 1s, 5s, 25s, or 100s have brass flakes. about 30% of the 500s have brass flakes and hexagonal stickers.. the rest are standard w/ round stickers.

curiously, i purchased about 60 paulson $1 chips independently which were much more plasticy feeling, with a banded imprint, not the th&amp;c

http://q.bitey.net:8888/~lupin/pics/misc/chips/scandia-1.jpg
http://q.bitey.net:8888/~lupin/pics/misc/chips/scandia-500.jpg
if those dont work
http://bitey.net/~lupin/pics/misc/chips/scandia-1.jpg
http://bitey.net/~lupin/pics/misc/chips/scandia-500.jpg

[TenPercenter]

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You can't play black jack at indian casinos in florida. The only thing you can play is poker, bingo and slot machines. That's it. I didn't get a chance to go this weekend because of that little hurricane thing. I'll try next weekend.

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I happen to be in Florida for a couple of weeks, and I thought I should re-touch this topic. I'm interested in getting some .25 chipco chips from a Seminole casino since I'm here. Has anyone figured out a way to get 100 or 200 of these chips out of there?

Mario, how do you think these .25 come into play since there's no blackjack, and the lowest game is a $1 game? Slots can't take Chipcos I don't imagine. Did you see ANY at all when you went last time?

Greg

[Lottery Larry]

I took a few of my pokerchips.com chips to the Taj Mahal a few months ago. They seemed to be almost exact duplicates of the chip in feel and size- mine were actually slightly thicker, maybe due to wear and tear?

The Borgata were different, in they were harder and slicker.

[italianstang]

San Manuel has Paulson 50 cent chips. I tried to buy a rack at the cage and they said no, quoting me that "poker chips were casino property and were not supposed to be removed". I didn't want to argue right then so I didn't. But you could around to different tables and buy a few here or there. I had 40 or so after ten minutes.

[Lottery Larry]

for someone who's been posting about the problems you've been having with them, you sure tout them a lot.