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05-17-2002, 02:28 AM
Not that y'all care, but I think that I am leave the game for now.


I hate to leave it as I LOVE poker, Hold'em especially, but I am totally done with it for now. I can count 1/2 of what I have lost to this point to bad beats both in the higher limits & pot or no limit--and I am not talking about hands that should have been there and got lucky, but the total trash catching the runner runner or miracle card(s) to win. The rest was lost while before I knew anything and while I was learning (not that I'm not still doing that) /images/smile.gif , or money that I used for fun while at work and didn't worry about. I probably will not be back till I can put in enough in to move to the 3/6 or 5/10, as it is a waste of time to play the lower limits (at least for me) & pot & no limit over the web is total crap shoot (unless you have AA, don't bother to go in)--my records show that I have lost more with good hands, than have made with them. Also, the amount of money you can win in the lower limits is not worth the major fluctuations caused by the any 2 card attitude. (If I lose a big pocket pair to some calling with 23o and hitting a 223 flop again, I am going to need a new monitor! :o) I have no idea what it takes to win at this point, and my new lack of confidence has only made be a bigger fish--so it is time to take a break and get the new version of TTH--at least then you can power off the machine and win a moral victory :o)


Good luck to all -- and maybe I will see y'all in a few months...or in Vegas or Colorado if we go this summer (that would be sweeeet :o)


For those who make their living playing -- more power to ya!!!


Peace out, flop aces, and DON'T PLAY UNLESS YOU ARE HAVING FUN (or winning :o)


P.S. -- Does anyone know if they are trying to get poker legal in TX? There are a few Indian casinos right now, but there is some controversy and they may shut them down soon....


*** Taking the State wherever found, striking into its history at any point, one sees no way to differentiate the activities of its founders, administrators and beneficiaries from those of a professional-criminal class.

-- Albert Jay Nock ***

05-17-2002, 03:38 AM
I have heard rumors of efforts made to legalize gambling in Texas. In regards to your post, it sounds like you understand the game well enough, maybe take a break for a while but don't confirm that you are done playing for good. I went on bad streak for three months, lost a lot of money, and considered quiting. The streak is over, and right now I am crushing the game and it is beautiful. Good luck!


Mark

05-19-2002, 11:24 AM
I empathize with you MrGrob. It sounds like you and I may be close to the same level of poker learning/development. I started playing holdem about 14 months ago. At that time, I just jumped in and lost over $1100. It seemed too easy, but the losses were consistent. I finally decided to learn how to play the game. I bought books (mostly 2+2 title, /images/smile.gif ), and software to figure out what was going on with this game. The results were almost immediate. I'm back in black but am acutely aware that I'm a far, far way from being a good, consistent winning player. In fact, I feel that I'm at the most dangerous point of my poker development because I know just enough to THINK I know what I'm doing. Thus, I am in danger of getting in over my head and not realizing it until it is too late.


Now, the problem is that at some point the learning curve begins to plateau and the bad beats seem to come more frequent (due to our new level of recognition of bad beats??). This is when I force myself to take a break...even to the extent of cashing out my online bankrolls and deleting the poker site software from my computer. I then read and reread my books, study my hand histories, and read these forums and other info sites.


After a time, I get back into the games to apply what I've learned. It is amazing how many leaks in one's game can be identified during this break. The complexity of this "simple" game is amazing. I agree with you that the microlimit levels will continue to be a major source of frustration mainly because the typical players at that level are not knowledgable, IMHO. Keep studying during your break and jump back in when ready at a higher level with an appropriate BR.


I hope my reply helps you. Sorry for the rambling...I guess I need to hear myself say the same things to myself as well.


Best of luck! Indy

05-21-2002, 12:22 AM
Clear thoughts, good approach, well stated. You will become a solid poker player if you continue in the direction you are headed.


One caution, if you continue playing you will see beats and bad runs that you can't even imagine right now... keep your current philosophy, it will save you.


gl


Craig H.

05-21-2002, 12:43 PM
Indy,


Have you seen Ray Zee's essay on this? I think it's available if you click on the 'essays'

portion of the directory at left.


One day I got Card Player,to find the Zee

essay- I was startled to see a microcosm of what

I'd gone through. You're quite right about a little knowledge being a dangerous thing indeed.

It was tough to adjust to the idea that even though I knew I was playing better than most opponents, I could still take a hit from them if I got careless. One thing that has stood me in good stead is the experience of playing chess for many years- that game, too, especially at master level, is one of constant adjustment.


perfidious