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Punker
09-22-2004, 08:55 PM
Local B&M casino tournament. Blinds are 200-400. Middle player goes all in for 500 and its folded to the BB who has a chip on his loose cards. He says something like "well I guess I have to call with anything" and throws in a chip to call. The dealer reaches out to take the SB's cards, and accidentally also mucks one of the BB's cards. The cards are mucked and irretrievable. BB had not yet looked and does not know what his hole card was.

What is the correct ruling now?

ddubois
09-22-2004, 09:27 PM
IMHO, these sorts of topics belong in Brick & Mortar (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=cardroom) forum.

vulturesrow
09-22-2004, 09:34 PM
This is the MTT forum, your post is fine here as far as I can tell. The ruling is the hand is folded. Once your hand touches the muck its not good and its the players obligation to protect his hand.

Punker
09-22-2004, 09:50 PM
He had placed a chip on his cards...how far is he expected to go to protect his cards?

Tosh
09-22-2004, 09:56 PM
Shuffle, deal another random card, and give the dealer a good beating for being so retarded. Noone knew what the card was, so its a random card both ways and won't matter.

Bigwig
09-22-2004, 10:43 PM
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He had placed a chip on his cards...how far is he expected to go to protect his cards?

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Lick them and stick them to his forehead.

Hotchile
09-23-2004, 03:39 AM
I can only see two legitimate options here.

A) declare the hand a misdeal (I don't like this option)
B) Split the pot between the two players. (I don't hate this option)

A third option that I just thought of, would be to treat it like a flashed card and flip the top card of the deck to the blind. That would allow the hand to continue and because the blind is the last act, there is no reason to burn. The dealer could deal the flop without a burn card. The integrity of the deck would be maintained and the hand completed. (I think I like this option)

HC

Punker
09-23-2004, 01:49 PM
The floor was called over naturally. His ruling:

BB gets back his 500
All in raiser gets back his 500 and the 200 from the SB.

I had no idea what the correct ruling was. I sure didn't think this was it though!

fnurt
09-23-2004, 01:51 PM
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The floor was called over naturally. His ruling:

BB gets back his 500
All in raiser gets back his 500 and the 200 from the SB.

I had no idea what the correct ruling was. I sure didn't think this was it though!

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That's a very Solomonic ruling. It seems equitable if not exactly "by the book."

I don't think any ruling based upon the assumption that BB has not yet looked at his cards can be correct. You don't really KNOW that to be the case.