My new favorite line

[Evan]

I actually did have a reason behind this, anyone care to take give me thier thoughts?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero calls, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Turn: (4 BB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, BB folds.

River: (6 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">MP2 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

[Evan]

I'm allowed to bump every half hour when it's this late.

[bisonbison]

Yeah, you wouldn't want it to get lost in the avalanche of late night threads.

[Evan]

exactly what i was thinking.

[sthief09]

when I make this play (and I make it more than anyone), I generally like to be sure I have the best hand. there's clearly a chance he has a 6, and maybe a small chance he has QT, or maybe even AT or KT.

[thirddan]

spicyF made a post a little while ago on the Mid/High forum about checkraising the river to save bets, you might try a search for it, pretty interesting.

I would only try to do this against a player that is aggressive enough to bet the river with a 9 and call a c/r (fortunately for us, most players that bet the river will always call a c/r)...I would have to know that my opponent would bet with a worse hand cuz it sucks if it gets checked through when you could have just bet...

[thirddan]

its late and i feel like being nosy...are you evan74 on party?

[Chris Daddy Cool]

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spicyF made a post a little while ago on the Mid/High forum about checkraising the river to save bets, you might try a search for it, pretty interesting.


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i've made several responses on river play to some posts that are very similiar to spicy's thread, but everybody seems to ignore me.

[Evan]

no, but you've gotta be thirddan1, right?

[Evan]

do you have a response on my river play?

[thirddan]

dats me...

[Evan]

Than you've lost $17 dollars to me (Bitesize00 and Pokerbite)

[thirddan]

i only have 100 or so hands with you, but you play tighter than me /images/graemlins/smile.gif

btw...i hope you bought something cool with your $17

[Evan]

I play tighter than everyone I think

[Chris Daddy Cool]

the board pairing the 6 will have 2 effects on your opponent's play

1) he has a 6 and could possibly 3-bet you

2) he does not have a 6 and will just call you or fold

the main concern is, how do you know he'll bet when all he's been doing is calling? and how often will he fold a hand that you beat or call with a hand that beats you? etc etc etc

i personally just bet, but sometimes i use this line too against players who love to bet when checked to.

[Evan]

The main reason I've started doing this more often is because I noticed that you can get busted draws to take a stab at the pot if you show some weakness on the river. And most Party players refuse to fold once they've put money in the por. It's a lot of fun to watch J high call a river check-raise.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

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The main reason I've started doing this more often is because I noticed that you can get busted draws to take a stab at the pot if you show some weakness on the river.

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If this is the case and the reason why you made the checkraise then usually a checkraise is NOT going to get paid off, making this play pointless.

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It's a lot of fun to watch J high call a river check-raise.

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I actually do not see this that often. I must be playing the wrong tables. /images/graemlins/smirk.gif

[Evan]

I'm not always expecting to get called (but it is fun), and I usually don't. But you still gain an extra bet pretty often since they would just fold to the river bet anyway with a draw that they missed.

[Trix]

I think you lose a bet from 88/77 more often.

I dont think the river 6 changes much btw as you can just fold to the 3bet. I prefer to know that my opponent is aggr or have him on a slim range of hands when I make this play.

[Chris Daddy Cool]

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But you still gain an extra bet pretty often since they would just fold to the river bet anyway with a draw that they missed.

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there's also the cases where you're actually checkraising with a loser.