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btspider
09-17-2004, 05:45 PM
The two villians live 5 miles from each other.. came and left the table together. Ignored when someone else posted a yahoo map showing their towns' proximity. These are some hands I sent to party. I got a quick response that they would look at it. Is that all I will ever hear?

There were more hands than this. The limp-reraising was ridiculous and seemed to be done on 40% of all the hands, but they only limp-reraised each other. This left most pots 2-4 handed, and then they would chase others out if they had something.

Final stats:
MyCashGon:
76 hands
80 VPIP
17 PFR
Lost 15 BB's

Sheets2:
76 hands
76 VPIP
16 PFR
Won 5 BB's

Two guys having fun or colluding.. or both just breaking even? Either way, I'm just posting the names so you have a heads-up.

hand 1 (looks like he forgot to fold the river):
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> 3-bets</font>, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">BB <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> caps</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Sheets2 checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MyCashGon calls, Sheets2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
Sheets2 checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 folds, MyCashGon calls.

River: (14.75 BB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
Sheets2 checks, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon bets</font>, Sheets2 calls.

Final Pot: 16.75 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 16.75 BB, between MyCashGon and Sheets2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MyCashGon (16.75 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Sheets2 has 5s Jh (one pair, aces).
MyCashGon has Ad Kc (full house, aces full of kings).
Outcome: MyCashGon wins 16.75 BB. </font>

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hand 2:
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Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MyCashGon checks, MP2 checks, CO checks, Sheets2 checks.

Turn: (3 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, MyCashGon checks, MP2 checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, Sheets2 calls, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 3-bets</font>, MyCashGon calls, CO calls.

River: (12 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">MyCashGon bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon 3-bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 caps</font>, MyCashGon calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 24 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 24 BB, between MyCashGon, CO and Sheets2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by MyCashGon (24 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MyCashGon has Ad Ts (flush, ace high).
CO has Jd 9d (flush, king high).
Sheets2 has Jc Th (two pair, jacks and tens).
Outcome: MyCashGon wins 24 BB. </font>

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hand 3 (not sure about this one, TT doesn't seem so strong, but they were bad players to boot):
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+2 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> raises</font>, <font color="666666">4 folds</font>, Button <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, UTG+2 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> calls, Button <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) J/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Sheets2 checks, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, Sheets2 calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, Sheets2 calls, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 caps</font>, MyCashGon calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (19.75 BB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, Sheets2 calls, MyCashGon folds.

Final Pot: 30.75 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 30.75 BB, between UTG+1 and Sheets2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Sheets2 (30.75 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Sheets2 has Ts Td (full house, tens full of aces).
Outcome: Sheets2 wins 30.75 BB. </font>

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hand 4:
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> calls, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, SB completes, <font color="CC3333">BB <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="CC3333">MP2 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> 3-bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="CC3333">BB <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> caps</font>, MP1 calls, MP2 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">MyCashGon bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 raises</font>, <font color="CC3333">MyCashGon 3-bets</font>, MP1 folds, Sheets2 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MyCashGon checks, Sheets2 checks.

River: (10 BB) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MyCashGon checks, Sheets2 checks.

Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 10 BB, between MyCashGon and Sheets2.</font> &gt; <font color="white">Pot won by Sheets2 (10 BB).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
MyCashGon has 4h Ks (one pair, fours).
Sheets2 has Ah 8d (one pair, eights).
Outcome: Sheets2 wins 10 BB. </font>

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hand 5:
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif. MP3 posts a blind of $1.
<font color="666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 <font color="purple">(Sheets2)</font> calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, <font color="666666">2 folds</font>, SB <font color="purple">(MyCashGon)</font> completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (4 SB) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
MyCashGon checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, MyCashGon calls, Hero folds, Sheets2 calls.

Turn: (5 BB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">MyCashGon bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 raises</font>, MP3 folds, MyCashGon calls.

River: (9 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
MyCashGon checks, <font color="CC3333">Sheets2 bets</font>, MyCashGon folds.

Final Pot: 10 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 9 BB, won by Sheets2.</font>
<font color="green">Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to Sheets2.</font>

Results in white below: <font color="white">
Sheets2 has 2d Tc (two pair, tens and twos).
Outcome: Sheets2 wins 10 BB. </font>

cab4656
09-17-2004, 06:21 PM
A few of those look really suspicious. Especially hand three where one of the colluders 3-bets the river and then folds to the cap.

It must suck to be such a failure at life that these guys are colluding at the 1/2 level.

akh911007
09-17-2004, 06:35 PM
Yeah, I think I was sitting at the table with ya when it was going on. I didnt notice it at the time, but looking back at the hands you posted, it seems pretty shady.