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milesdyson

09-17-2004, 07:14 AM

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (7 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (1.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, Button calls.

I know some of you will say raise here, but it just didn't seem like anyone had much at this point. Only 3-handed, I figured I would call to get the button to call. But, what do I know, maybe this is horrible?

River: (4.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, Button folds, SB calls.

Final Pot: 8.50 BB

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, CO calls.

I'm not sure why I 3-bet this. Is this a bad raise because MP3 usually won't call it?

River: (17.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

AVF2k1

09-17-2004, 07:40 AM

Hi
I think you play too weak.
First hand; I would say rais after the turn, you want to get a lot of money in to the pot so raise. At this point you have the edge! With a bitt of luck he's got the straigt...
Second hand; Not sure what I would have done...
Third hand; Reraise the River, if he's got the straight I think he would have reraised you on the turn.
Be more aggresive!
/AVF2k1

Isura

09-17-2004, 08:10 AM

Hand 1: Bet the flop! You are losing bets if you don't.

Hand 2: Turn play is a tough one. There's a good chance you have the best hand, but are against a strong flush draw. Reraising or folding is your only defense against the semi-bluff. Gotta call on the river with such a big pot.

Hand 3: Raise the river; you'll get beat occasionally by someone slow-playing a straight, but this bet is purely for value.

frank_iii

09-17-2004, 10:51 AM

Hand 1: I think you have to bet the flop since you have a very strong draw and might win the hand outright. I would raise the turn. If button cold calls your raise, you get 1 extra bet from him and 1 extra from SB if he calls. If the button folds, you'll still probably get that extra bet from SB. So, I think that, at worst, you'll only break even by raising vs calling.

Hand 2: I think your turn raise is a good thing. You now know he's probably on a draw so, had the flush not come (like it won't most of the time), you'd have made more money in the hand.

Hand 3: I'd 3-bet the river. How could that 6c have helped him? Two pair? Set of 6s? If he played 78 and beat you with a straight God love 'em.

flexus

09-17-2004, 11:07 AM

There's a good chance you have the best hand, but are against a strong flush draw. Reraising or folding is your only defense against the semi-bluff. Gotta call on the river with such a big pot.

I am not sure why you posted that beacause there is no way you can fold to the turn raise. Actually I think calling the turn raise is just fine.

sluttysteve

09-17-2004, 11:11 AM

Why aren't you 3-betting on the river in Hand 3?

flexus

09-17-2004, 11:16 AM

hand 1:

bet the flop for value. soemtimes you might even win it right away. the turn flat call makes me want to cry. Raise!
etting tricky is just going to lose money for you.

hand 2.
Good flop bet, but I am not sure about the turn 3-bet.

3-betting is fine if he raised with a flushdraw. If he raised wih a better hand, your 3-bet is not a disaster because you have a lot ofouts to beat him. Still, I think I would have just called.

Perhaps a smarter person than me could elaborate on the best response to the turn raise further?

hand 3: I 3-bet the river.

milesdyson

09-17-2004, 03:21 PM

Results:

Hand 1:

I can't find the hand history.. but SB had QQ for the boat. He must have put me on quad fours (lol).

Hand 2:

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, MP3 calls, CO raises, SB folds, BB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP3 calls, CO calls.

River: (17.50 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 20.50 BB

Hero has Qh Jh (one pair, jacks).
MP3 has Qs 4s (flush, queen high).
CO has Jc Td (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: MP3 wins 20.50 BB.

Hand 3:

Paradise Poker 0.25/0.50 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB completes, Hero raises, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (6 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls.

River: (13 BB) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 17 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Qs Qd (three of a kind, queens).
MP2 has 8h 7s (straight, ten high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 17 BB.

In my experience, when someone plays as MP2 did the whole way, they have the hand.