KK heads-up on a double-paired board

[nepenthe]

No specific read on opponent.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (5.16 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises...

[Tosh]

As a friend of mine would say, silleh.

[nepenthe]

Would you just call down all the way?

[Tosh]

Aye.

[nepenthe]

&lt;(((-&lt;

That'd probably be my default play though. Like I always say aggression in poker should be tempered by respect towards your typical opponents. I respected my opponent enough to put him on Ace-high. I was wrong though.

[Alobar]

just call down, if hes bluffing you want him to continue. Raising the river is kind of pointless anyway, you think hes going to call the raise with ace high?

[Tosh]

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you think hes going to call the raise with ace high?

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He probably will, I still don't raise though.

[nepenthe]

I'm 90% sure a typical LL Party opponent will call a river raise with Ace high.

[chesspain]

I like your weak-tight hands better /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[MrHorace]

I'm 90% sure a typical LL Party opponent will call a river raise with Ace high.

Nepenthe, with just the ace high and NOTHING else? Is that right? Hmmm. I figured 3/6 would start to get some fairly good players in play.

[nepenthe]

I've seen opponents call down with K and J high plenty of times on a much more dangerous board. On a double-paired board I'm thinking a call with Ace high and nothing else (esp. since Ace high with "something else" would be none other than a FH in this case) would be automatic. Not in this case though...results in a bit.

[nepenthe]

River: (5.16 BB) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 9.16 BB, between Hero and BB.</font>


BB has 3c 3d (two pair, sixes and fives).
Hero has Kc Ks (two pair, kings and sixes).
Outcome: Hero wins 9.16 BB.

Still think one wouldn't call with ace high? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

[nepenthe]

I think there is value in a river raise, as opposed to a turn raise or just calling down all the way. Occasionally I'll get reraised on the river and lose BB's, but I think this situation is different from my other "get flamed" thread in which I played KK passively on a J6J board. Typical players will bet out a lot more often as a bluff/semi-bluff on dangerous boards than they will checkraise, and they will more often than not call when raised. Pocket pairs and any Ace could easily bet out on a double-paired board such as this one. I called the turn because I want him to continue bluffing if he is bluffing. Come river time, my belated raise looks suspicious enough to most players that they will decide to look me up with hands as bad as a naked Ace. That is, I think there is a compelling possibility that a river raise has value, even taking into account those times I'm 3-bet.

[Alobar]

I guess I stand corrected

[MAxx]

Looks good to me. Why haven't we considered the times that villain has 77, 99, TT, and possibly JJ in addition to the A high and the boneheaded 33? Am I missing something obvious about these pps?

[Tosh]

No you're right but I wanted to use the word 'silleh'. Its a good word, not used enough IMO.

I still don't raise this river though I don't think its that bad.

[driller]

So the guy called your raise when he could only beat you if you had less than an 8 in your hand? What exactly does this illustrate other than you were in a pot with a moron?

[daveymck]

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So the guy called your raise when he could only beat you if you had less than an 8 in your hand? What exactly does this illustrate other than you were in a pot with a moron?

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It indicates thats the saying is wrong.

A small pair in the hand is not better than two pair and a bush.