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jeeves

09-15-2004, 01:15 PM

So I've been playing SnGs for a couple months now... but my ITM% is very low (5-10%) and my ROI is still negative. I consider the money I'm spending now the cost of my poker education, but I'm looking for some real feedback on my play so I can try and take it to the next level.

I just finished a rather brief 10+1 on Stars where I finished 6th. I'm going to post the interesting/key hands for you guys to review.

I'm going to play another Stars 10+1 shortly and I'll probably post that one as well.

So thanks in advance.

chill888

09-15-2004, 01:20 PM

First, wow 5% - 10% ITM? It's great that you have found this site. NOW RUN QUICKLY Read the FAQ five times and play at really low limits for a while

good luck

jeeves

09-15-2004, 01:30 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t2165)
SB (t900)
Hero (t1185)
UTG (t3365)
UTG+1 (t2055)
MP1 (t3830)
MP2 (t1440)
CO (t230)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Button posts a blind of t20. UTG posts a blind of t20. UTG+1 posts a blind of t20. MP1 posts a blind of t20. MP2 posts a blind of t20. CO posts a blind of t20.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) calls t20, 4 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t180) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

Turn: (t180) 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks.

River: (t180) 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, UTG+1 folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: t240
Main Pot: t180 (t180), won by Hero.
Pot 2: t60 (t60), returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero has Ac 9d (one pair, fives).
Outcome: Hero wins t240. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t2165)
UTG+1 (t900)
Hero (t1185)
MP2 (t3365)
CO (t2055)
Button (t3830)
SB (t1440)
BB (t230)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG posts a blind of t20. UTG+1 posts a blind of t30. Hero posts a blind of t30. MP2 posts a blind of t30. CO posts a blind of t30. Button posts a blind of t30.
2 folds, Hero (poster) calls t20, MP2 (poster) calls t20, CO (poster) calls t20, Button (poster) raises to t120, 1 fold, BB calls t100, Hero folds, MP2 calls t100, CO calls t100.

Flop: (t660) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t40, Button calls t40, BB calls t40, MP2 calls t40.

Turn: (t820) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, CO bets t1070 (All-In), Button folds, BB calls t1070, MP2 folds.

River: (t2960) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2960
Main Pot: t2960 (t2960), between CO and BB. > Pot won by CO (t2960).

Results in white below: 
BB has 9h 9c (one pair, nines).
CO has Kh Jd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: CO wins t2960. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (7 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t2165)
MP1 (t900)
Hero (t1185)
CO (t3365)
Button (t2055)
SB (t3830)
BB (t1440)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG posts a blind of t30. Hero posts a blind of t30. CO posts a blind of t30. Button posts a blind of t30.
2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to t90, CO (poster) calls t90, 3 folds.

Flop: (t330) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: (t330) 4/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (t330) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
Hero bets t210, CO folds.

Final Pot: t540
Main Pot: t330 (t330), won by Hero.
Pot 2: t210 (t210), returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
Hero has 8c 8d (three of a kind, eights).
Outcome: Hero wins t540. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG (t2165)
MP (t900)
Hero (t1185)
Button (t3365)
SB (t2055)
BB (t3830)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif. UTG posts a blind of t50. MP posts a blind of t50. Hero posts a blind of t50. Button posts a blind of t50.
UTG (poster) calls t50, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to t150, 1 fold, SB calls t125, 1 fold, UTG calls t100.

Flop: (t650) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t650) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets t100, UTG calls t100, Hero folds.

River: (t850) J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB bets t100, UTG calls t100.

Final Pot: t1050
Main Pot: t1050 (t1050), between UTG and SB. > Pot won by SB (t1050).

Results in white below: 
UTG doesn't show.
SB has Kh Jd (one pair, jacks).
Outcome: SB wins t1050. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t2165)
Button (t900)
Hero (t1185)
BB (t3365)
UTG (t2055)
MP (t3830)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif. CO posts a blind of t50. UTG posts a blind of t50. MP posts a blind of t50.
UTG (poster) calls t50, MP (poster) calls t50, 2 folds, Hero raises to t150, BB calls t100, UTG calls t100, MP calls t100.

Flop: (t750) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets t250, Hero folds, BB folds, UTG calls t250.

Turn: (t1250) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, MP bets t250, UTG calls t250.

River: (t1750) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, MP checks.

Final Pot: t1750
Main Pot: t1750 (t1750), between UTG and MP. > Pot won by UTG (t1750).

Results in white below: 
UTG has Kh Jd (two pair, jacks and twos).
MP doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins t1750. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB (t2165)
UTG (t900)
Hero (t1185)
CO (t3365)
Button (t2055)
SB (t3830)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls t50, Hero raises to t150, CO calls t150, Button calls t150, SB calls t125, BB calls t100, UTG calls t100.

Flop: (t900) 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t900) K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (6 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets t1035 (All-In), CO calls t1035, Button calls t1035, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds.

River: (t4005) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players, 1 all-in)
CO bets t400, Button calls t400.

Final Pot: t4805
Main Pot: t4005 (t4005), between Hero, CO and Button. > Pot won by CO (t4005).
Pot 2: t800 (t800), between CO and Button. > Pot won by CO (t800).

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Jc (one pair, kings).
CO has Ks 4d (two pair, kings and fours).
Button has Kh Jd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: CO wins t4805.

jeeves

09-15-2004, 01:33 PM

Yeah, I've read the faq. I have a printout handy, and I'm trying to let it guide my play and fall back on it when I'm not sure what to do.

I think I followed it pretty closely in the 10+1 I just took 6th in, but I'll let you guys comment on that yourselves.

And, like I said, I'm playing another Stars 10+1 now and hopefully I'll last longer, but I'll post all the key hands from that so you all can bestow your wisdom on me.

Thanks!

Oh, and btw, I have been lurking and reading here a lot over the past couple months, and I'm still not improving my ITM% very much, so there are obviously some leaks in my game that need plugged ASAP. It's hard to make that kind of determination from the hands above, so I'll try to get some more useful ones up soon.

willie

09-15-2004, 02:18 PM

kj suited and qj suited are hands that i feel need to be limped......

unless position and # of player dictates a raise and even then, i'm usually only minraising with them.

if you raise with those, and you entice ak or aq into smooth calling you you're going to be in a world of trouble by being more pot committed than you really have to, and then be put to the test of folding the second best hand.

you have the aggression part down correct, and i do play party, so fewer starting chips somewhat limits the plays that i can make, but you might need to back off the aggression a little bit with hands that are not premium.

the hand with 88, where you raise preflop then check on the flop, if i'm against you even on a baby flop with overcards, i'm going to come out and attempt to take this flop away from your weakness. Then you river the 8 making a set. you have to understand that by being checked the whole way down, your opponent has nothing, and might make a crying call for a min value bet river with an ace high or something of that sort. you're not going to get action betting that river strong and representing the monster that you have in your hand.

there are a few other things, but i'm playin a party million qualifier right now so i have to close this down and concentrate....

hope other posters can point out some other things.
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jeeves

09-15-2004, 02:39 PM

Next tourney, Stars 10+1, 5th place finish.

I think I was playing well until the last hand, which I think was just really hard to get away from.

Let me know what you think.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t2875)
Button (t1948)
SB (t2735)
BB (t600)
UTG (t597)
UTG+1 (t875)
MP1 (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
MP3 (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of t20. Button posts a blind of t20. UTG posts a blind of t20. UTG+1 posts a blind of t20. MP1 posts a blind of t20. Hero posts a blind of t20. MP3 posts a blind of t20.
UTG (poster) calls t20, 2 folds, Hero (poster) raises to t100, 5 folds, UTG calls t80.

Flop: (t350) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets t200, UTG folds.
UTG checks, MP3 checks, Button checks.
UTG checks, MP3 checks, Button bets t60, UTG folds, MP3 folds, MP1 folds, Hero folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls t20, BB calls t20, UTG calls t10, UTG+1 checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t60, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls t60, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets t120, UTG calls t60, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks.

Final Pot: t650

Results in white below: 
No showdown. 

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB (t2875)
BB (t1948)
UTG (t2735)
UTG+1 (t600)
MP1 (t597)
MP2 (t875)
MP3 (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
Button (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG posts a blind of t20. UTG+1 posts a blind of t30. MP1 posts a blind of t30. MP2 posts a blind of t30. MP3 posts a blind of t30. Hero posts a blind of t30. Button posts a blind of t30.
4 folds, MP3 (poster) raises to t60, Hero (poster) calls t60, Button (poster) calls t60, 1 fold, BB raises to t100, MP3 calls t40, Hero calls t40, Button calls t40.

Flop: (t590) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t590) 6/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

River: (t590) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t590
Main Pot: t590 (t590), between BB, MP3, Hero and Button. > Pot won by Button (t590).

Results in white below: 
BB has Qd Td (one pair, fives).
MP3 doesn't show.
Hero has Qd Kh (one pair, fives).
Button has As 9c (two pair, nines and fives).
Outcome: Button wins t590. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t2875)
MP1 (t1948)
MP2 (t2735)
MP3 (t600)
CO (t597)
Button (t875)
SB (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
UTG (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of t30. MP1 posts a blind of t30. MP2 posts a blind of t30. CO posts a blind of t30. Button posts a blind of t50. UTG posts a blind of t30.
7 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t260) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t60, SB folds.
UTG folds, MP1 checks, CO bets t30, SB folds, MP1 calls t30.
MP1 checks, CO checks.

Final Pot: t380
Main Pot: t260 (t260), won by Hero.
Pot 2: t120 (t120), returned to Hero.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Hero wins t380. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t2875)
Button (t1948)
SB (t2735)
BB (t597)
UTG (t875)
UTG+1 (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
MP2 (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of t50. Button posts a blind of t50. UTG posts a blind of t50. UTG+1 posts a blind of t50. Hero posts a blind of t50. MP2 posts a blind of t50.
2 folds, Hero (poster) calls t30, 2 folds, Button (poster) calls t30, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t420) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t420) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, Button bets t90, SB folds, BB folds, Hero folds.
BB checks, MP2 bets t50, BB folds, Hero folds, MP2 raises to t730, CO folds, Button calls t710, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t660, UTG+1 checks, Button checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks, UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t1240
Main Pot: t420 (t420), won by Button.
Pot 2: t820 (t820), returned to Button.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. Button wins t1240. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

CO (t2875)
Button (t1948)
SB (t2735)
BB (t597)
UTG (t875)
UTG+1 (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
MP2 (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of t100. Button posts a blind of t100. UTG posts a blind of t50. UTG+1 posts a blind of t50. Hero posts a blind of t50. MP2 posts a blind of t100.
UTG (poster) calls t50, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to t150, 5 folds, UTG calls t100.

Flop: (t775) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t775) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

River: (t775) 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets t150, Hero calls t150.

Final Pot: t1075
Main Pot: t1075 (t1075), between UTG and Hero. > Pot won by UTG (t1075).

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qs Qd (two pair, kings and queens).
Hero has Js Jd (two pair, kings and jacks).
Outcome: UTG wins t1075. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t2875)
MP1 (t1948)
MP2 (t2735)
CO (t597)
Button (t875)
SB (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
UTG (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of t100. MP1 posts a blind of t100. MP2 posts a blind of t100. CO posts a blind of t100. Button posts a blind of t100. UTG posts a blind of t100.
6 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t700) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (t700) K/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (t700) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t700
Main Pot: t700 (t700), between SB and Hero. > Pot won by Hero (t700).

Results in white below: 
Hero has 6d 6h (one pair, sixes).
SB doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins t700. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t2875)
SB (t1948)
BB (t2735)
UTG (t597)
UTG+1 (t875)
MP1 (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
CO (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif. Button posts a blind of t100. UTG posts a blind of t100. UTG+1 posts a blind of t100. MP1 posts a blind of t100. Hero posts a blind of t100. CO posts a blind of t100.
1 fold, UTG+1 (poster) calls t100, 1 fold, Hero (poster) raises to t300, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t200.

Flop: (t1250) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets t810 (All-In), UTG+1 calls t810.

Turn: (t2870) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: (t2870) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: t2870
Main Pot: t2870 (t2870), between UTG+1 and Hero. > Pot won by UTG+1 (t2870).

Results in white below: 
UTG+1 has Qs Qd (full house, queens full of eights).
Hero has Qc Ks (two pair, queens and eights).
Outcome: UTG+1 wins t2870. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

UTG+1 (t2875)
MP1 (t1948)
MP2 (t2735)
CO (t597)
Button (t875)
SB (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
UTG (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif. UTG+1 posts a blind of t100. MP1 posts a blind of t100. MP2 posts a blind of t100. UTG posts a blind of t100.
3 folds, MP2 (poster) calls t100, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero raises to t300, MP2 raises to t2435, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t3135
Main Pot: t1000 (t1000), won by MP2.
Pot 2: t2135 (t2135), returned to MP2.

Results in white below: 
No showdown. MP2 wins t3135. 

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saw flop|saw showdown

Button (t2875)
SB (t1948)
BB (t2735)
UTG (t2511)
Hero (t1920)
CO (t1511)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 fold, Hero calls t100, CO calls t100, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t400) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
SB bets t100, BB calls t100, Hero raises to t500, CO raises to t1411, SB calls t1311, BB folds, Hero calls t911.

Turn: (t4733) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets t437 (All-In), Hero calls t409 (All-In).

River: (t5579) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: t5579
Main Pot: t5551 (t5551), between SB and Hero. > Pot won by SB (t5551).
Pot 2: t28 (t28), returned to SB.

Results in white below: 
SB has Qd Td (flush, ace high).
Hero has Kh Jd (two pair, kings and jacks).
CO has As 9c (one pair, aces).
Outcome: SB wins t5579.

gronmo

09-15-2004, 08:28 PM

Too many hands that could be extensively commented upon but I'll just do the last one. Your raise on the flop is a bit questionable as it probably won't do what you want it to do (win the pot outright). Both the bettor and the caller (of 100 chips)have you covered so your 400 raise probably won't scare them away if they have a decent draw. You only have middle and bottom pair so you might be behind already. Possible hands that your opponents could have are AK, KQ, QT and various flush draws. When the CO Raises all in and the small blind calls it, you should throw away your hand immediately. You are either behind or looking at getting outdrawn. Take at look at your own position versus your opponents if you fold. The small blind has the CO covered so one of them is going to go out or be severely crippeled. If you fold you still have 1300 chips and the blinds are only at 100.

durron597

09-15-2004, 08:54 PM

I would say your biggest problem is that you aren't raising enough when there are limpers already in the pot. Don't raise a standard 3xBB raise when you have limpers, usually a good rule is 3xBB + 1xBB for every limper, and if that adds up to more than one third of your stack, push!

Also, KJs and QJs are not raise worthy hands, especially when there are already limpers. You can limp behind if you want, but raising a small amount is the worst idea. You can either raise a lot if you think you can get a lot of folds, or limp behind if you think you can steal the pot on the flop and the limpers are loose, or you can just fold if table is aggressive, and wait for a better spot to get your money in.