EnderW27
09-12-2004, 10:17 PM
Six players left in a $20 SnG.
The relevant stacks are:
Me in BB, $1320
Chip leader, UTG $2150
LP: $1170
They both limp to me with A-7o.
I check.
350 in the pot as the blinds are 50/100.
Flop comes down: [ Qc, 7c, 5d ]
I have middle pair. I check to see what the limpers want to do.
Chip leader bets 300. LP folds.
Now it's back to me.
The chip leader hasn't shown himself to be particularly tricky, but there are a wide range of hands he could be betting here. A straight draw (this one seems slim), a flush draw is out there. KQ overcards just trying to pick up the pot, middle or bottom pair...or heck, just an out and out bluff because he's the chip leader and can try things like that.
So I have a decision. Maybe he does have a queen but there's only six of us left and only three in the pot. The liklihood is much better he has a worse hand than I do.
I raise it to 800. He thinks for a minute and calls.
Turn comes the Ac, completing a possible flush. I push for 420 more.
He calls.
River is a blank. He's got a QJ and it loses to my A7.
He then procedes to berate me.
"Wow...unbelievable...online players are so bad!" he says throughout the next hand.
I agree. I don't like my play. I think if I'm going to make that play, I really should have pushed.
If I push I don't give a flush draw good odds. I think that maaaaybe he'd lay down QJ there as well. In general, once I make the play, I'm pot committed anyway. Strangely, though, by not raising all in, I did give myself a chance to fold on the turn without improvement (despite being nearly pot committed) because I'm more certain now that he has the queen.
In general, I think it's bad luck he did have a queen, and good luck I improved. But I still think my check raise is ok. I'd feel like such a wimp folding in that situation just because the chip leader is trying to take a pot that might not belong to him.
What do you think? How should the flop have been played?
The relevant stacks are:
Me in BB, $1320
Chip leader, UTG $2150
LP: $1170
They both limp to me with A-7o.
I check.
350 in the pot as the blinds are 50/100.
Flop comes down: [ Qc, 7c, 5d ]
I have middle pair. I check to see what the limpers want to do.
Chip leader bets 300. LP folds.
Now it's back to me.
The chip leader hasn't shown himself to be particularly tricky, but there are a wide range of hands he could be betting here. A straight draw (this one seems slim), a flush draw is out there. KQ overcards just trying to pick up the pot, middle or bottom pair...or heck, just an out and out bluff because he's the chip leader and can try things like that.
So I have a decision. Maybe he does have a queen but there's only six of us left and only three in the pot. The liklihood is much better he has a worse hand than I do.
I raise it to 800. He thinks for a minute and calls.
Turn comes the Ac, completing a possible flush. I push for 420 more.
He calls.
River is a blank. He's got a QJ and it loses to my A7.
He then procedes to berate me.
"Wow...unbelievable...online players are so bad!" he says throughout the next hand.
I agree. I don't like my play. I think if I'm going to make that play, I really should have pushed.
If I push I don't give a flush draw good odds. I think that maaaaybe he'd lay down QJ there as well. In general, once I make the play, I'm pot committed anyway. Strangely, though, by not raising all in, I did give myself a chance to fold on the turn without improvement (despite being nearly pot committed) because I'm more certain now that he has the queen.
In general, I think it's bad luck he did have a queen, and good luck I improved. But I still think my check raise is ok. I'd feel like such a wimp folding in that situation just because the chip leader is trying to take a pot that might not belong to him.
What do you think? How should the flop have been played?