Check Raise %?

[TJD]

Hi all,

Could you please help me to see if I am on the right track?

I am new to SH (12K hands) and am beginning to realise that the extra aggression by opponents, the smaller number of opponents and the smallness of pots means that CR is a much more useful option than in many of the loose full ring games I have been used to.

What is your CR% from PT? Mine is 1.14 and is increasing but I think ther are amnay more sensible opportunities.

TYIA

trevor

[TJD]

Anyone? Is my figure too low?

[fyodor]

I'm slightly higher at 1.44 but I know it could easily be more. I just flat out bet a lot.

[Dirk Gently]

.76% for me over 40k hands. However, I've just started experimenting with check and reraising a lot more and it seems to be working out well so far.

[Nemesis]

1.4 ish i believe.

[schubes]

Hmm, mine's at 2.66 and is pretty stable across different games.

Does anyone else have a number like this?

[kiddo]

1.9% at 5/10 SH.

I dont slowplay to much, I like to bet. But since I like to bet I also have to check some ok hands, otherwise check=weak.

I normally checkraise in 3 situations.

1) On flop when I am sitting in blinds hitting a pair against preflopraiser. I want him to pay seeing turn with his overcards.

2) If I flop a good hand (like a set), bet flop from EP and turn is an A or other dangerous card. I check(raise), hoping A is theirs.

3) If I am on a draw against one or more aggressive player and I am checkcalling flop and hit my draw on turn or river.

Standard checkraise at SH is this: Someone flop a good hand from Early Position and think: "Oh, a good hand, lets slowplay..." This is normally not a good checkraise. Slowplaying should normally be done when you got position. Failure is to expensive out of position.

[kiddo]

When I flop a monster, specially a flush, I also sometimes checkraise because noone believes you will go to war with the nuts on flop. If you checkraise on a 3-flush flop a lot of players will put you on toppair and play back with a lot of hands (like K high flushdraw and u sitting with A high flush /images/graemlins/smile.gif)

[schubes]

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1) On flop when I am sitting in blinds hitting a pair against preflopraiser. I want him to pay seeing turn with his overcards.

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Most of my checkraises are of the blind defense type. Since the raiser will almost always bet when checked to -unless I think I can induce a raise- I will always checkraise defending the blind HU. And of course I throw in the occaisional bluff c/r as well HU.

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This is normally not a good checkraise. Slowplaying should normally be done when you got position. Failure is to expensive out of position.

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I think of slowplaying and checkraising as very different.
Adding to your list, my second most often use of c/r is with vulnerable hands in SB or BB in multiway pots on the flop when I have aggressive players in late position.

I agree that you must often bet out in SH, and I'm open to the possibility that I c/r too much, but this thread does surprise me a little because I know I'm missing some river c/r, yet noone's posted a higher percentage yet.

[Notbadatall]

You are so right there Kiddo and you are more right about the checkraise moves the higher limit you play, on higher limits people at most put you on weak hands the more you bet in some strange way. If you play 30/60 my experince is that you can checkraise with more hands than on lower limits.

[kiddo]

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I think of slowplaying and checkraising as very different.

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Yes, but Pokertracker doesnt. Some players will have a very high cr% because they loves to slowplay.

The subject of CR is tricky, maybe I should CR more? Its very hard to know.

[TJD]

I am not sure about that Kiddo. I think we may have a confusion in definition here.

A slowplay is a refusal to bet or raise on THIS round of betting in order to get a raise in on the next round. A CR always takes place in this round.

I agree that a CR could be used as part of a slowplay.

e.g.

1) check/call flop and then CR turn
2) bet out on flop and then just call a raise then CR turn

In the first case the intention was to SP from the outset.
In the second, the bet was made for value, but with a raiser the bettor decided that a CR on the turn might work better.

In other words a SP might include a CR but a CR is not necessarily part of a SP /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I suppose if we knew that the CRs were ALL on the flop then we would know that they were NOT SPs

My CRs are 67% on flop, 29% on turn and only 4% on the river. Mind you I have normally been pounding the pot so a CR has a strong chance of not working. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
trevor

[Scotch78]

1.27% after 5,000 hands at PS $3-$6 6max

Scott