too Loose Push, Bad Timing, Bad Mistake, etc.?

[Desdia72]

4-handed (Bubble Time), somewhat tight table (took a tough beat to the tune of about 1000 with TPTK with the blinds at 75/150, but at this table, the guy flopped trip Jacks so this should give a feel of the other 3), blinds 100/200 25 ante, i'm in the BB, two limpers, 800 preflop pot including antes. who likes the push? who thinks thinks this push, in this spot, is unfathomable? who thinks this call is everywhich way, including loose?


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PokerStars Game #685040130: Tournament #2643647, Hold'em No Limit -
Level VII (100/200) - 2004/09/11 - 23:50:57 (ET)
Table '2643647 1' Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Desdia72 (2170 in chips)
Seat 2: buddha0531 (4165 in chips)
Seat 3: SMB007 (4525 in chips)
Seat 4: Yorkcoadam (2640 in chips)
Desdia72: posts the ante 25
buddha0531: posts the ante 25
SMB007: posts the ante 25
Yorkcoadam: posts the ante 25
Yorkcoadam: posts small blind 100
Desdia72: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Desdia72 [Ah Qc]
buddha0531: calls 200
SMB007: calls 200
Yorkcoadam: folds
Desdia72: raises 1945 to 2145 and is all-in
buddha0531: calls 1945
SMB007: folds
*** FLOP *** [2d Jd 5c]
*** TURN *** [2d Jd 5c] [9s]
*** RIVER *** [2d Jd 5c 9s] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Desdia72: shows [Ah Qc] (high card Ace)
buddha0531: shows [7s 7h] (a pair of Sevens)
buddha0531 collected 4690 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4690 | Rake 0
Board [2d Jd 5c 9s 4s]
Seat 1: Desdia72 (big blind) showed [Ah Qc] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 2: buddha0531 showed [7s 7h] and won (4690) with a pair of Sevens
Seat 3: SMB007 (button) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Yorkcoadam (small blind) folded before Flop

[citanul]

Hey,
I just unignored you because it looks like this might actually have content.
Personally, I think I push in your spot very close to 100% of the time.
I can't give an exact % on how often I'd make the call with the 77, but it's probably not very likely, since I'd probably have raised 4 handed instead of limping 4 handed. Given the limp, and also in all circumstances when I'd made a raise to bring it in to say, 800, I'm probably calling most of the time with the 77 as well.

I don't think that pushing the AQ is too loose (along the lines of "just what the hell would be good enough to push?"), and I don't think that his 77 call is terrible either.

If he'd raised to bring in, and then the other guy had called, I probably would have pushed. If he'd raised and the other guy had folded, I almost certainly push.

That's a lot of chips in there.

citanul

[Desdia72]

[ QUOTE ]
Hey,
I just unignored you because it looks like this might actually have content.
Personally, I think I push in your spot very close to 100% of the time.
I can't give an exact % on how often I'd make the call with the 77, but it's probably not very likely, since I'd probably have raised 4 handed instead of limping 4 handed. Given the limp, and also in all circumstances when I'd made a raise to bring it in to say, 800, I'm probably calling most of the time with the 77 as well.

I don't think that pushing the AQ is too loose (along the lines of "just what the hell would be good enough to push?"), and I don't think that his 77 call is terrible either.

If he'd raised to bring in, and then the other guy had called, I probably would have pushed. If he'd raised and the other guy had folded, I almost certainly push.

That's a lot of chips in there.

citanul

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at this table (this was as good table, in terms of play, that i've played at $5 + $.50)), if the guy had opened raised and the guy next to him had called, i would've definitely considered folding.

[CrisBrown]

Hi Desdia,

This comes down to how you evaluate your strength relative to the other players at the table. If you think it's about equal, or perhaps they're a bit better than you, then yes, you push here. Any lesser raise would be either too weak to have any steal equity, or so much that it would leave you no post-flop leverage.

On the other hand, if you think you're significantly stronger than at least two of your opponents, you can simply check the flop and get off your hand if the flop misses you. The reasoning here is that AQo is not that much a favorite, and may well be a big dog, against the hands that are likely to call you. Rather than race here on a weak hand, against opponents that you believe you can outplay later, why not wait for a better spot?

Cris