JJ at $5/10 - Standard call down?

[joker122]

UTG+2 here is a loose passive calling station.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="666666">6 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG+2 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (6.20 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

River: (12.20 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 15.20 BB

[joker122]

how did this already get off the first page?

[sthief09]

this is so tough. this really looks like A /images/graemlins/diamond.gif2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif or 6 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif7 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif

he's check-raising into a protected pot and a PFR who raised him on the flop. when you're behind you're either drawing dead or to 2 outs. he usually doesn't have 2 pair so your counterfeit outs are extremely dirty.

assuming UTG+2 calls the river with a worse hand than you, you're getting 7-1 on a call down with what we'll call 0 outs to improvement.

I'd fold because you raised from EP and he doesn't seem at all concerned with AA or KK, and you have no way of really improving.

[daveymck]

One thing I am finding at 5/10 is that if someone check raises on the turn after you raised the flop then top pair isnt enough.

Not everytime but a lot more than at 3/6.

[sthief09]

I don't have much experience at 5/10, so I wasn't aware of this. even if this is slightly true, calling is probably right, because without knowing this, I thought it was pretty close.

[daveymck]

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I don't have much experience at 5/10, so I wasn't aware of this. even if this is slightly true, calling is probably right, because without knowing this, I thought it was pretty close.

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I dont have much neither but it is the main thing jumping out at me as a difference to 3/6.

One other thing I have found is the games on the Jackpot tables seem to be softer than at the standard, although I play UK evenings so maybe are not as many softer games as US evenings.

[BigEndian]

If you are 100% certain this player is passive enough to only CR you with better than JJ, I still call down a good amount of the time. If not, you open yourself up to CRs at the 5/10 from a wider array of hands and perhaps teach a passive player new tricks.

- Jim

[joker122]

The turn CR looked alot like A2 (I think Josh noticed that also) and that's exactly what he showed (As2s). I still don't know whether callind down is correct.