I Didn't Bet the River Part III

[sthief09]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="CC3333">SB raises</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, Button calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
<font color="green">Main Pot: 7.50 BB, between Button, SB and Hero.</font>


no, I wasn't scared of trips...

[Tosh]

I don't think I'd make it to the river.

[daveymck]

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I don't think I'd make it to the river.

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Me neither.

However river check is fine.

[sthief09]

I was considering dropping it on the turn. even if he had an OESD, he just completed it or paired his 9.

[MoreWineII]

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I don't think I'd make it to the river.

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x2

[sthief09]

folding the turn is that easy? don't get me wrong. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm surprised that it's unanimous.

[Tosh]

And I agree with Daveymck too, I don't bet this river if I got there. I think he has something like A8 and lost his bottle when the 7 paired.

[daveymck]

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folding the turn is that easy? don't get me wrong. I'm not disagreeing, but I'm surprised that it's unanimous.

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I dont even bet the flop.

[sthief09]

exactly right.

[sthief09]

now I'm confused. checking the flop can't be right, can it?

[MoreWineII]

I think the flop is right, but I fold the turn. Could be weak-tight.

[daveymck]

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now I'm confused. checking the flop can't be right, can it?

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The pot is so small that I dont care about it, this type of hand either everyone folds or a better hand calls, any card that comes is a scare card for you, if this gets to showdown in most cases I cant see you winning.

We want to win big pots not every hand.

[Alobar]

Flop bet is good. I fold the turn when I dont improve. If I had called the turn I would check this river as well.

[sthief09]

I have top pair. I don't care how big the pot is, because I have top pair. I'll bet into an empty side pot with top pair, because it's top pair. of course worse hands will call.

[BottlesOf]

Ennh, it's not so easy, i'm with that.

This lack of river bet seems ok

[Alobar]

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We want to win big pots not every hand.

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We dont want to do either. We want to win bets. small pot or no, you bet the flop because you most likely have the best hand. If everyone folds, GREAT! But dont pass up a +EV situation just because the pot is small.

[daveymck]

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We want to win big pots not every hand.

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We dont want to do either. We want to win bets. small pot or no, you bet the flop because you most likely have the best hand. If everyone folds, GREAT! But dont pass up a +EV situation just because the pot is small.

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If you are betting this flop you have to have the dicipline to fold once someone shows any bit of strength. (just for backup to this SSH pge 146)

I dont beleive you are losing that much by not betting this or similar marginal hands in a 1.5 bb pot. He has to win two of these now just to break even from this one.

[Tosh]

I likely come out and bet the flop, thinking about it though I might even fold right there to the check raise. You effectively have 8/1 assuming the other guy calls, I can't think of much you are less than an 8/1 dog against when a guy raises a bettor and a caller. He *might* have T9, but you can't even beat that - it would be a 50:50 shot if you were headsup. Any potential good points are counter balanced by the fact he could easily have 87, 84 or 56 against which you are pretty much dead. Even against a bigger 8 you're a big dog.

The more I think about it, the more I think seeing the turn is an error, possibly more than just a small one.

[MaxPower]

I wouldn't bet the river and mostly likely fold to the turn bet. Head's up against some players I might call, but I don't being in the middle with this hand.

[MaxPower]

He should probably call the flop even if the odds don't justify it. He wants to be able to steal a lot of these small pots. When he folds to a raise on the flop, that will be become difficult.

[Alobar]

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If you are betting this flop you have to have the dicipline to fold once someone shows any bit of strength. (just for backup to this SSH pge 146)


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Thats all the more reason to bet IMO. Since you have the dicipline to fold. I think you will win way more of these situations than you will lose, and when you lose you wont be losing much, because you have the ability to fold.

[Tosh]

I'd place more importance on that playing live. Online I think the table changes too much/people aren't really watching all that well/the situation doesn't come up all that often.