Moving up limits and dropping BB/100

[Alobar]

I know this question is a bit generalized. By generally how much do you think moving up a limit will drop your BB/100? I also know it depends on what limit, going from .5/1 to 1/2 prolly wont be that much.

I know everyone is all "hush hush" about there win rates but Id be interested in someone who moved up through all the limits and actually has data on this.

Moslty im asking because I'm trying to figure out how to maximize profit. like if I am making 3BB/100 at 2/4 then I have to make 2BB/100 at 3/6 to make the same amount of money. 2BB/100 at 3/6 needs to make 1.2BB/100 at 5/10, but obviously you need to make more at the higher limit for it to be worth it because you are putting more money at risk.

at what limit does the transistion become negative? Can a 2BB/100 3/6 player expect to make more than 1.2BB/100 at 5/10. Could a 2BB/100 5/10 player expect to make more than 1BB/100 at 10/20?

[Nightwish]

A good player should be able to make more than 2.5 BB/100 all the way up to 15/30. Does that answer your question?

[va_chier]

their was a post a while back on playing style grids. In the post he had stats that gives you the average players numbers at each level. Maybe you can use that data to give you a rough idea at what your win rate would be. The problem is the sample size needed is so large that most people move up before they get a good sample.

[RED_RAIN]

I'd challenge this. All the way up to 15/30 as I know many good posters here who are good players who aren't above 2.5 through all levels up to 15/30 nor at 15/30 are they above 2.5

[Nightwish]

You're free to challenge this, but it all comes down to your definition of a "good player".

BTW, I'm only talking about 10-max games here.

[RED_RAIN]

I just think maybe changing to 2 BB/100 is better. Actually 2.25 to be more exact as I think there is a big difference between 2.25 and 2.5 over the long term.

[TimM]

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Moslty im asking because I'm trying to figure out how to maximize profit. like if I am making 3BB/100 at 2/4 then I have to make 2BB/100 at 3/6 to make the same amount of money.

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I don't like this way of thinking about it. The experience you need to keep moving up is worth more in the long run than the short term profit you might miss out on.

There are other problems with trying to compare win rates across limits. Each limit will take some getting used to, and how you do at the start may be misleading. Also players tend to get better as they move up, so you won't get accurate comparison if the limits were played at different stages of the player's development. Finally, the amount of time a player spends at a certain limit depends a lot on his short term results. Players should tend to move up at a peak in their win rate because this is when they feel best about their game and their bankroll.

[dogmeat]

I think you need to qualify this as to somebody playing a single game, and somebody multi-tabling 3 or 4 also. I think for a single game, the number between 2 and 2.5 up through $5/$10 seems to be prevail. However, even posters like David Ross claimed only a 1.8BB on $5/$10 (6-max) when playing 3 games. Anybody out there want to claim 2.5BB at $5/$10 or higher when multi-tabling?

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[JohnShaft]

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at what limit does the transistion become negative? Can a 2BB/100 3/6 player expect to make more than 1.2BB/100 at 5/10. Could a 2BB/100 5/10 player expect to make more than 1BB/100 at 10/20?

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Al I think it *completely* depends on the player.
A good player might make 6BB's PH at .50/1, while an average one makes 3.
That average player might make .25 BB's ph at 15/30, while the good one makes 2+BB ph.

I don't think it's safe to assume there is a correlation between winrates at each limit for the two players.
It completely depends on the skill set of both players, and other factors besides.
It really depends what you think you can beat. But yeah, pretty much everyone has a ceiling. So there is pretty much always going to be a point where moving up another limit becomes -EV for said player.

[RED_RAIN]

I agree with this totally. Thanks for putting more what I meant.

[AncientPC]

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at what limit does the transistion become negative? Can a 2BB/100 3/6 player expect to make more than 1.2BB/100 at 5/10. Could a 2BB/100 5/10 player expect to make more than 1BB/100 at 10/20?

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Al I think it *completely* depends on the player.
A good player might make 6BB's PH at .50/1, while an average one makes 3.
That average player might make .25 BB's ph at 15/30, while the good one makes 2+BB ph.

I don't think it's safe to assume there is a correlation between winrates at each limit for the two players.
It completely depends on the skill set of both players, and other factors besides.
It really depends what you think you can beat. But yeah, pretty much everyone has a ceiling. So there is pretty much always going to be a point where moving up another limit becomes -EV for said player.

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What does PH mean?

[JohnShaft]

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What does PH mean?

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I can never get used to this new-fangled "Per 100 Hand" stuff. It means as much to me as the metric system.

[Nightwish]

There are a number of people making 2.5+ BB/100 at 15/30 on Party, but I'll keep my mouth shut about this from now on lest this turn into a pissing contest.

[AncientPC]

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What does PH mean?

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Per Hour? /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

I can never get used to this new-fangled "Per 100 Hand" stuff. It means as much to me as the metric system.

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I just use BB/100 because it seems more prevalent, not to mention more accurate before PT accomadated multi-table sessions.

I thought the English used the metric system and America was the last place to use the English system . . .

I always have to recalculate my height in cm whenever my relatives from Asia ask . . .

[bicyclekick]

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There are a number of people making 2.5+ BB/100 at 15/30 on Party, but I'll keep my mouth shut about this from now on lest this turn into a pissing contest.

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I'd sure hope so cause I make about that and I'm a new guy.

[Figge]

The english are approaching the metric system inch by inch...

[MicroBob]

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2BB/100 at 3/6 needs to make 1.2BB/100 at 5/10, but obviously you need to make more at the higher limit for it to be worth it because you are putting more money at risk.


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Sorry to be nitpicky...but I think I disagree with this.
If you are sufficiently bank-rolled AND somehow KNEW that you could win the exact same amount of $$$/100 hds (as in your 2bb/100 vs. 1.2BB/100 comparison) then there shouldn't really be much of a difference.

You will experience greater variance in terms of dollars at the higher-level of course. But, in the long run, this shouldn't be a factor should it?


Otherwise, I don't really have any answers to your questions.

[OrangeHeat]

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Anybody out there want to claim 2.5BB at $5/$10 or higher when multi-tabling?


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Yes. There are at least a few posters here who do better than 2.5 BB/100 multitabling the 15/30.

Orange