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prayformojo
09-09-2004, 03:45 PM
Is this wisdom or weak-tight? Not many hands for either opponent, so no strong read, but UTG+1 seems LAG and MP1 is pretty loose/passive.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Mojo is Button with T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Mojo raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (11 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Mojo bets</font>, SB folds, UTG calls, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 calls, Mojo calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (9 BB) 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(3 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Mojo folds ...

easypete
09-09-2004, 04:12 PM
This is a close one. If MP1 is passive, this could just mean he has A9s or K9s, so your diamonds are probably ok. Immediately, you are getting 6:1 for your flush draw. If it's capped, you are still getting 4.25:1.

You have 8 outs (I don't think the 2 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif counts here filling up MP1 or UTG+1), so you are at 4.75:1 to hit the flush without pairing the board again. How sure are you that you would be drawing dead to a boat?... I'm not that sure... I would call here, hoping that the raise will slow down UTG+1.

mikeyvegas
09-09-2004, 04:20 PM
PF- Good raise.
Flop- I 3-bet with my 2nd nut flush draw, longshot backdoor str8 draw, and over card.
Turn- I do not fold. I would call 2 cold here getting 12:2. If it comes back 2 more cold then we can talk about folding.

Fnord
09-09-2004, 04:21 PM
Why not 3-bet the flop?

IMRichB
09-09-2004, 04:27 PM
I call here as well. I can't imagine either of them already has a boat - even at low limits that would be unlikely. Unless you have a good read otherwise I wouldn't expect a reraise from UTG+1.

I'm curious whether others agree with the preflop raise. I would generally just call this preflop, but maybe I'm too passive?