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Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving
a Social Security check every month (or will soon be) -- and then finding
that we are getting only 85% of the money we paid to the federal government
to "put away," you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it in
the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.
Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.
Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants? immigrants? immigrants?
A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI
(Social Security). The Democratic Party gave that to them although they
never paid a dime into it.
Then, after doing all this, the Democrats turn around and tell you the
Republicans want to take your Social Security. And the worst part about it
is, people believe it!
MaxPower
09-09-2004, 03:45 PM
Any you believe this email, I presume?
If so, why? What reason do you have to believe some email that someone forwarded to you? Shouldn't you be the least bit sceptical? Maybe you could do a search and see if any of that is true?
I'm an immigrant and I've paid the maximum in Social Security Payroll tax for the last 5 years. I've been working for 7 years.
I'm also a citizen.
elwoodblues
09-09-2004, 04:09 PM
Are you wearing your scarlet "I"
No need. The slanty eyes are enough for most to assume anyway, although the praise I get for my "perfect English" has diminished over the years.
MaxPower
09-09-2004, 04:18 PM
Two of these are outright falsehoods and the other two are irrelevant.
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Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.
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The tax on Social Security benefits were a part of the 1983 amendments which were signed into law by none other than Ronald Regan.
In case you don't believe me, here is a picture of Reagan signing the bill:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/reagansm.html
Here is a summary of the amendments:
http://www.ssa.gov/history/1983amend.html
Here is the relevant part:
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Beginning in 1984, includes up to one-half of Social Security benefits as taxable income for taxpayers whose adjusted gross income, combined with half their benefits and any tax-exempt interest they may have exceeds $25,000 for a single taxpayer and $32,000 for married taxpayers filing jointly. Benefits received by married taxpayers filing separately are taxable without regard to other income. Appropriates amounts equal to estimated tax liability to the Social Security trust funds.
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Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants? immigrants? immigrants?
A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI
(Social Security). The Democratic Party gave that to them although they
never paid a dime into it.
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My God! Immigrants! Those lousy liberals!
The SSI program was signed into law by Richard Nixon on October 30th, 1972. It was a bipartisan effort.
http://www.ssa.gov/history/1970.html
All the facts are on the socialy security website.
The other two could be called true, but no republican administration or congressman has ever tried to change those practices.
Thythe
09-09-2004, 04:22 PM
It seems like you just owned WC64.
WC64-0
MaxPower-1
MaxPower
09-09-2004, 04:26 PM
To be fair, WC64 never said he believed the email just that he received it.
I get these things all the time and it usually takes only the slightest bit of checking to realize that they are nonsense.
So the enlargement emails aren't for real?
elwoodblues
09-09-2004, 04:30 PM
Oh they're for real. I've got 2.5 inches of dangling fury to prove it.
brassnuts
09-09-2004, 04:30 PM
Oh no... they work great /images/graemlins/grin.gif /images/graemlins/ooo.gif /images/graemlins/grin.gif
pudley4
09-09-2004, 04:35 PM
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Since many of us have paid into FICA for years and are now receiving
a Social Security check every month (or will soon be) -- and then finding
that we are getting only 85% of the money we paid to the federal government
to "put away," you may be interested in the following:
Q: Which party took Social Security from an independent fund and put it in
the general fund so that Congress could spend it?
A: It was Lyndon Johnson and the Democratic-controlled House and Senate.
Q: Which party put a tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic party.
Q: Which party increased the tax on Social Security?
A: The Democratic Party with Al Gore casting the deciding vote.
Q: Which party decided to give money to immigrants? immigrants? immigrants?
A: That's right, immigrants moved into this country and at 65 got SSI
(Social Security). The Democratic Party gave that to them although they
never paid a dime into it.
Then, after doing all this, the Democrats turn around and tell you the
Republicans want to take your Social Security. And the worst part about it
is, people believe it!
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Snopes.com (http://www.snopes.com) is your friend.
See? (http://www.snopes.com/cgi-bin/news/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=3;t=000003)
Chris Alger
09-09-2004, 04:45 PM
Excellent reply.
For my two cents, I recall that SSI was a combination of three cash grant programs known as Aid to the Blind, Old Age Assistance and Aid to the Permanently and Totally Disabled. These were cash grant programs for people who had virtually no means of support. Along with Aid ot Families with Dependent Children, these constituted the original New Deal "welfare" programs. There was and I presume still is an eligibility requirement of being very poor. Under the Nixon administration, these progams were combined into one program called Supplemental Security Income and from the general jurisdiction of HEW (now HHS) to the Social Security Administration, probably for efficiency reasons.
The point is that SSI is an aid to the poor program, and not "social security" as most people understand that term.
MaxPower
09-09-2004, 04:52 PM
Once when I was on Jury duty they were trying to select a jury for a case where a guy who had penis enlargement surgery was suing his doctor because it didn't work.
As each potential juror was interviewed the lawyer for the man asked them if the fact that he had penis enlargement surgery made them think less of him as a person. Everyone of them said no. When they interviewed me, I said yes /images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I never did say I believed this email but I was curious as to the truth of it. I really didnt have the time to look for myself, but as it seems it probably wouldnt have taken me so long.
By the way I checked out the Snopes site and it seems that whoever is forwarding this email is leaving out the whole bottom part lol.
Thythe
09-09-2004, 05:17 PM
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I never did say I believed this email but I was curious as to the truth of it. I really didnt have the time to look for myself, but as it seems it probably wouldnt have taken me so long.
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Sorry, I didn't read the first post close enough to see that it was just an e-mail, not necessarily your beliefs. Yeah, I'm a bad person...
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I never did say I believed this email but I was curious as to the truth of it. I really didnt have the time to look for myself, but as it seems it probably wouldnt have taken me so long.
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Sorry, I didn't read the first post close enough to see that it was just an e-mail, not necessarily your beliefs. Yeah, I'm a bad person...
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I deserved it though for posting such BS
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