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ChuckNorris
09-07-2004, 04:23 PM
What do you think about the size of my PF raise? I simply
tried to bet for maximum value.

Was betting the flop ok? I guess I wanted to see if there
were no aces or kings out, and maybe get an even better hand
to fold (aces with poor kickers or Kx). Should I have bet more
to chase out flush draws, or just check/fold?

Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 8: Delta_DST ( $835 )
Seat 4: hero ( $740 )
Seat 7: VSam777 ( $520 )
Seat 1: mojorison311 ( $605 )
Seat 5: texanhold ( $595 )
Seat 2: Whitty989 ( $1975 )
Seat 6: Doylegirl ( $1520 )
Seat 10: pokerspank ( $1210 )
Level:2 Blinds(15/30)

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Qs Qh ]

Doylegirl calls [30].
2 fold
pokerspank calls [30].
mojorison311 calls [30].
Whitty989 calls [30].
hero raises [135].
texanhold folds.
Doylegirl calls [120].
pokerspank calls [120].
2 fold

** Dealing Flop ** [ Ad, 4d, Ks ]
hero bets [100].
Doylegirl folds.
pokerspank calls [100].

** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
hero checks.
pokerspank bets [600].
hero folds.
pokerspank wins 1340 chips

tubbyspencer
09-07-2004, 04:29 PM
I think the size of the PF raise is fine. I might raise a little more, perhaps to 200, in an effort to isolate the post flop play against just one person. But 135 is fine too, IMO.

I think the 1/5th pot bet on the flop, followed by a turn check, looks like someone who's scared of the Ace. You're inviting an all in bluff at this level of S&G. And, of course, you have to fold to it.

ChuckNorris
09-07-2004, 04:36 PM
In that case, what would your play be like? Betting big on the flop (which would pretty much mean all-in), pushing on the turn after a small flop bet or just check/folding on the flop?

parappa
09-07-2004, 04:50 PM
I check/fold here. This is close to the worst flop you can possibly get. I give one of them credit for an A or K. I can't even bet the turn.

jimotto
09-07-2004, 05:13 PM
Not much you can do without tieing yourself to the pot postflop. Since the other two players have you so outchipped, leading out 100 will not get rid of an ace, or probably even a king. If you want to try to take it down, the best play, and then checkraise all in if their bet is small (ie, less than 150). As a shortstack, thats how you'd play AK most likely to maximize the amount of cash in the middle. Pretty risky though, probably best to just write it off and check fold though. I hate qq.