What do you think of this Idea ?

[theredpill]

This post is for people who like to get an edge in whatever way they can but only legally.

Do you think you could get an edge by watching a table for about 5 hours and recording what cards hit the flop in a program and using that to decide what cards to play ?

[The once and future king]

5 hours isnt quite long enough.

5 1/2 hours should be enough though.

[boogerboy]

no, by definition of random.

[Lori]

Like this (http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/entdev/article.php/616221) you mean?

No longer possible thankfully.

Lori

[Thythe]

Do you think you could get an edge by watching a Roulette Table in Vegas and recording what numbers hit for 5 hours?

[theredpill]

You're right. Given that there are so many combinations of cards, you could potentially gain an edge after maybe 3 or 4 months of analysis but by then you'd be so tired that you'd have to go to sleep. ha

Also, I meant legally to the one with the link about an attack on a server. I meant just scraping the screen with a program.

[daryn]

i think this idea is stellar. just be sure to let us know how it goes.

[Thythe]

First, they didn't attack the server in that link. Second, you could watch for a million months and never get an advantage.

Think of it this way. Take a fair die and start rolling, recording what number comes up each time. After a year of doing this do you think you'd be able to predict better than 1/6? Doubtful...

[scotnt73]

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5 hours isnt quite long enough.

5 1/2 hours should be enough though.

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your nuts. youd need about 10 hours to get anything concrete /images/graemlins/smile.gif.

[OldLearner]

Actually, this used to be quite possible.

We used to have certain dealers (often female) that would be so busy chatting with their stacker or anyoneelse that they would spin very consistently since they weren't paying attention. Combined with the older wheels that had higher struts between the numbers (this meant that the ball would not skip much when it landed), you could actually predict the section they would hit with enough certainty to make it quite profitable.

I knew a few people (this was 25 years ago) that actually recorded numbers on specific wheels for months on end, and determined the numbers that would come up with higher frequency based on the bias that was unintentionally created by the imperfect construction of the wheel itself. These guys actually made a pile of dough doing this.

With respect to RNG's, don't think so.

[dink]

yep,

there is no such thing as a cmpletely fair roulette wheel, there have been quite a few books written on this subject. Either finding biased wheels or tracking the ball as it travels around the wheel.

[BugSplatt]

The only thing you need to know about randomness is that if you have pocket K's, someone will call your pre-flop raise with an A 6 and either flop an ace or two 6's.

[Mike Haven]

May your flops get bigger every day.

[GrannyMae]

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[BirthdayBoy]

Another Birthday? Didn't we just give you Birthday wishes back on May 10th?

You aren't double dipping, are you?

Anyway, Happy Birthday!

http://home.wi.rr.com/clipartngraphics/Cards/Birthday2.GIF

[Lori]

Thanks Mike, Granny, Boy.

This one is actually genuine /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

Lori

[Thythe]

Happy Birthday Lori

Also, my Roulette example was meant to just be an example of randomness. Substitute flipping a coin since it seems that it was once possible to exploit roulette wheels.

[dana33]

You could do it, but you would need pattern mapping software with the logarithmic transform to analyze the data. (Older pattern maps don't work nearly as well.) For details, search on "pattern maps" in this forum.

[Lazymeatball]

haha, that balloon on the left looks like a turd.

[JTG51]

So you'd basically be mapping the pattern of the cards? Interesting idea.

What would you call the system? Pattern Mapping maybe?

You should try searching the forum to see if anyone else has already thought of this. You don't want to go reinventing the wheel if you don't have to.

[JTG51]

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Also, my Roulette example was meant to just be an example of randomness. Substitute flipping a coin since it seems that it was once possible to exploit roulette wheels.

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Sorry, flipping a coin is also exploitable. (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040228/fob2.asp) /images/graemlins/smile.gif

[Thythe]

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Also, my Roulette example was meant to just be an example of randomness. Substitute flipping a coin since it seems that it was once possible to exploit roulette wheels.

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Sorry, flipping a coin is also exploitable. (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040228/fob2.asp) /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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Damn, I just can't win. Rock Paper Scissors? No...that can't be it. Tossing a die? Hmmm...probably not. I give up.

[Lazymeatball]

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Rock Paper Scissors? No...that can't be it. Tossing a die? Hmmm...probably not. I give up.

[/ QUOTE ]

I hear radioactive decay works well. Just ask Schroedinger.

[jpym84]

Do you mean analyzing the data to find inconsistencies in the random number generator? This has been done before, and I'm pretty sure most poker sites have fixed all of the bugs in their random number generators.

[dink]

I believe it is still possible to exploit roulette wheels, just hard work, much easier to make money playing poker

Dink

roulette books
spin roulette gold - frank scoblette
secrets of winning roulette - martin jensen
Get the edge at roulette - Christpher Pawlicki

[Lori]

roulette books

The Newtonian Casino, renamed The Eudaemonic Pie is a great read (It's the story of the guys with buzzers in their shoes)

Lori

[Michael Davis]

You will hear many naysayers on this forum, but I think that is great idea. I have used a similar concept to crush roulette for years. Let the nonbelievers deride as a go forth and prosper.

-Michael