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Monty Cantsin
09-06-2004, 10:46 PM
No read on the villian in this hand.

I'm posting this because it's a fairly common line for me, and it's one of the few forms of sandbagging I am guilty of. So I wanted to run it by the slowplay police and make sure it didn't set off any alarms.

Gentlemen?

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Preflop: Monty is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="CC3333">Monty raises</font>, <font color="666666">5 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (4.33 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Monty calls.

Turn: (3.16 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">Monty raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (7.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="blue">(2 players)</font>
<font color="CC3333">BB bets</font>, Monty calls.

Final Pot: 9.16 BB

/mc
bisonbison
09-06-2004, 10:48 PM
sure. HU, I think this has a lot of merit.
joker122
09-06-2004, 11:04 PM
I'm not sure I like it. All slowplaying did was gain you 1 extra SB but also gave BB a cheap turn card.

Then again, the pot is so small that it wouldn't be a complete catasrophe to let him draw out. A turn raise also ties him to the pot while a flop raise lets him get away easier. I don't know...I still lean towards raising the flop.
AdamL
09-06-2004, 11:25 PM
Does rasiing on the river tie the opponent to the pot even more?

I wonder about check-raising the river and just calling the turn in situations like this, or more so when there isn't any straight draw. When if ever would that be valid?
Monty Cantsin
09-07-2004, 12:36 AM
worse Q, MHIG

/mc
Tosh
09-07-2004, 12:52 AM
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worse Q, MHIG



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No its not, not for the whole pot anyway.
sthief09
09-07-2004, 01:10 AM
I think this should be standard. I do stuff like this all the time. against overly aggressive players I sometimes wait for the river.
nepenthe
09-07-2004, 01:11 AM
The turn raise is picture perfect.
Luv2DriveTT
09-07-2004, 01:36 AM
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I think this should be standard. I do stuff like this all the time. against overly aggressive players I sometimes wait for the river.

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At first I agreed with sthief09, but then I started to think about this hand in detail.

* Villan could be drawing to a spade flush at the flop
* The board is semi-coordinated, allowing someone who played (foolishly of course) A2 or 34 for example
* What is the villan called with AQ offsuit? That would be a wise play

Considering these possibilities is it best to protect the hand on the flop by raising?

Please debate my thought process, I'm not committed either way, I'm just exploring the other side of the coin.

TT in da club /images/graemlins/club.gif
Monty Cantsin
09-07-2004, 01:44 AM
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worse Q, MHIG



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No its not, not for the whole pot anyway.

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Dude, I'm an idiot. He had 44. I got so excited about compressing the results down to telegram size that I left the actual correct information out.

Anyway, good catch. Does this mean you no longer wish to stake me?

/mc