After 4104 hands of 0.5/1.00, I am finally in the green

[Quercus]

It took 4,104 hands before I finally went showed positive bankroll growth at Party Poker 0.50/1.00 10 handed tables. I've been bouncing between -40BB and -0.5BB for the past 2000 hands or so. Finally, after a series of good sessions today, I climbed above for the first time.

So, probably time for a bit of a checkup:

Hands: 4,104
VP$IP: 18.52
VP$ISB: 36.12
Folded SB to steal: 87.5
Folded BB to steal: 71.43
Att to steal blinds: 28.00
W$WSF: 27.2
Amount won: $27.04
BB/100: 0.66
Went to SD: 30.86
W$SD: 53.12
PFR: 6.92

Aggression factors:
Flop: 1.89
Turn: 2.57
River: 2.76
Total aggression: 2.42 (does not include any preflop actions)

Check raises: 0.57

I realize that Sample Size Man will no doubt show up soon and deem this INSUFFICIENT, but I'd like opinions on any obvious weaknesses that the stats show up.

Oh, and thanks for the help so far - its helped me plug some definite leaks in my game.

Q

[btspider]

my 10K stats (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=965657&page=&view=&sb =5&o=&vc=1)

my 10K stats were fairly in line with expectations..

[bisonbison]

Congrats.

[radek2166]

Congrats. I am down 250 bucks on PP. no idea why. I have beat PS .25/.50 I am up 700 at pacific. No frigin clue as to party kicks my rearend. Keep up the good work.

[Cerril]

Very nice! I'm still in the red there, and I'm still not exactly sure why. Fewer hands than you, which may just mean I'm on the down end of variance. I certainly have some distance before I can start really worrying. It's still tough to deal with in a soft game thougn

[SomethingClever]

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Aggression factors:
Flop: 1.89
Turn: 2.57
River: 2.76


[/ QUOTE ]

Not sure if this means anything, but my aggression goes in the opposite direction as yours.

Flop: 4.05
Turn: 3.07
River: 2.31

Significant? I don't know. But I've been doing quite well at .5/1 over the last 12K hands.

Also, what hands do you play from the SB that you wouldn't limp or raise with otherwise?

[Quercus]

My play from the SB is one of the weaker parts of my game. I play any two suited plus any cards I'd normally play from outside the blinds, except I don't typically raise unless I've got real strength.

I also tend to play a lot of Ax from the SB, which I'm not sure is a good play or not, even for cheap.

[SomethingClever]

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I play any two suited plus any cards I'd normally play from outside the blinds, except I don't typically raise unless I've got real strength.

I also tend to play a lot of Ax from the SB, which I'm not sure is a good play or not, even for cheap.

[/ QUOTE ]

Hmm... I have 2 questions...

What wouldn't you raise from the blinds that you'd raise from elsewhere?

And did you mean Axs? Or just Ax? And if Ax, what's the lowest x you'll play?

[Quercus]

Unless I'm on a steal, I'm only raising AA-JJ, AK, and AQ from the blinds.

On the SB, I'll play A8 and up for 1/2 bet.

[bisonbison]

You should also be routinely raising KQs, KJs, AJs, ATs, KTs, QJs, TT, 99 and JTs, in no particular order.

Depending on the circumstances, AJo, KQo are also raises, even in multiway pots.

[Quercus]

Those would be "value bets"?

[SomethingClever]

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You should also be routinely raising KQs, KJs, AJs, ATs, KTs, QJs, TT, 99 and JTs, in no particular order.

Depending on the circumstances, AJo, KQo are also raises, even in multiway pots.

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Wait... KTs and JTs from the blinds as well?

[Cerril]

It's the idea of raising hands with multiple ways to make very strong hands in multiway pots - with KJs you can make straights, flushes, and very strong pairs. With JTs you can make easy straights and flushes (as well as two pair that tends to hold up).

Just remember that a preflop raise doesn't mean you're committing postflop to a poor draw.

[Quercus]

I just hit 10,000 0.50/1.00 hands this morning, so time for an update.

Here was at ~4000 hands:

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Hands: 4,104
VP$IP: 18.52
VP$ISB: 36.12
Folded SB to steal: 87.5
Folded BB to steal: 71.43
Att to steal blinds: 28.00
W$WSF: 27.2
Amount won: $27.04
BB/100: 0.66
Went to SD: 30.86
W$SD: 53.12
PFR: 6.92

Aggression factors:
Flop: 1.89
Turn: 2.57
River: 2.76
Total aggression: 2.42 (does not include any preflop actions)

Check raises: 0.57


[/ QUOTE ]

Here is at ~10,000 hands:

Hands: 10,085
VP$IP: 18.49
VP$ISB: 33.36
Folded SB to steal: 90.00
Folded BB to steal: 87.50
Att to steal blinds: 23.24
W$WSF: 29.34
Amount won: $392.34
BB/100: 3.89
Went to SD: 31.25
W$SD: 52.14
PFR: 7.51

Aggression factors:
Flop: 2.30
Turn: 2.84
River: 2.89
Total aggression: 2.69 (does not include any preflop actions)

Check raises: 0.59

Bankroll is large enough now to move up to 1/2, but I'm going to stay at 0.50/1.00 for a while longer. If my numbers still look good in another 10,000 hands, I'll probably start mixing some 1/2 into my multi-table mix.

[kiemo]

6000 hands in 9 days.

Dear god!

Of course round here that is probably pretty normal.


My wife is 'concerned' about me being addicted and in the last 9 days I think I have played maybe 400 hands. Think of her concerns if I was you.

[afk]

Eep. That man has played a lot of hands. Yeeesh, I probably only play 250 at day... max.

[RcrdBoy]

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My wife is 'concerned' about me being addicted and in the last 9 days I think I have played maybe 400 hands. Think of her concerns if I was you.

[/ QUOTE ]

LOL! I'm guessing he isn't married.

Yeah, my wife is "OK" with it, but when the 1st grader has homework, the hobby is shut down!

Trying to play on line with a family and a FT job can be difficult. So use your time wisely you younger single guys!

[illunious]

If you think 6,000 hands in 9 days is a lot...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v384/gllen/31hr.gif

[jeffraider]

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I just hit 10,000 0.50/1.00 hands this morning, so time for an update.

Here was at ~4000 hands:

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Hands: 4,104
VP$IP: 18.52
VP$ISB: 36.12
Folded SB to steal: 87.5
Folded BB to steal: 71.43
Att to steal blinds: 28.00
W$WSF: 27.2
Amount won: $27.04
BB/100: 0.66
Went to SD: 30.86
W$SD: 53.12
PFR: 6.92

Aggression factors:
Flop: 1.89
Turn: 2.57
River: 2.76
Total aggression: 2.42 (does not include any preflop actions)

Check raises: 0.57


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Here is at ~10,000 hands:

Hands: 10,085
VP$IP: 18.49
VP$ISB: 33.36
Folded SB to steal: 90.00
Folded BB to steal: 87.50
Att to steal blinds: 23.24
W$WSF: 29.34
Amount won: $392.34
BB/100: 3.89
Went to SD: 31.25
W$SD: 52.14
PFR: 7.51

Aggression factors:
Flop: 2.30
Turn: 2.84
River: 2.89
Total aggression: 2.69 (does not include any preflop actions)

Check raises: 0.59

Bankroll is large enough now to move up to 1/2, but I'm going to stay at 0.50/1.00 for a while longer. If my numbers still look good in another 10,000 hands, I'll probably start mixing some 1/2 into my multi-table mix.

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Good work! What would you attribute your turn around to?

[Quercus]

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LOL! I'm guessing he isn't married.


[/ QUOTE ]

Oh, I'm married (happily).

My wife and I own an specialty apparel manufacturing company and are fortunate enough to be able to work from home. She works late and sleeps late, so I play in the mornings. I four table, so it doesn't take that long to rack up the hands. I also had a nice long session on Sunday.

If I were unmarried, I'd really be playing a lot of hands.

[Quercus]

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Good work! What would you attribute your turn around to?



[/ QUOTE ]

My preflop play hasn't changed much, so a good bit of it is better post flop play. Might be a bit of luck and good cards in there too.

Better postflop play is 100% atttributable to studying the threads and responses on this forum.

[Quercus]

Almost time to move up to $2/$4. I've got more tha the 300BB minimum recommended, but I'll work up a bit more buffer. My wife finally figured out that I was playing for real money, so she's expecting me to put some into the communal coffers in return for her indulgence for the amount of time I spend playing /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Current stats:

0.5/1.00
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Hands: 18,886
VPIP: 18.65
VP$SB: 32.21
W$WSF: 29.34
BB/100: 4.2
W$SD: 52.09
PFR: 7.75

Aggression:
Flop 2.56
Turn 2.65
River 2.50

$1/$2
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Hands: 10,968
VP$IP: 16.32
VP$SB: 28.37
W$WSF: 31.45
BB/100: 3.19
W$SD: 50.32
PFR: 7.94

Aggression:
Flop: 3.85
Turn: 2.92
River: 2.35

http://www.kabald.org/Images/bb_won.gif

(Note: the first 10,000 or so hands shown on the chart aren't included in the totals above. It was right around hand 10,000 that I found this forum and started to grok what "aggression" was.)

[Peter Harris]

the *only* thing i see that's wrong is W$WSF should be closer to 30, not 27. But the rest is hunky dory.

It's taken me 2700 hands of 1/2 to get into the green for 0.3BB/100, so i know how the work feels!

Regards,
Pete Harris

[bisonbison]

the *only* thing i see that's wrong is W$WSF should be closer to 30, not 27.

If this is not a joke, it is crazy-talk, and you must honestly STOP.

You guys have lost your motherfucking heads.

[Peter Harris]

it's greedy talk. Surely it's impossible to truly manipulate this number?

sorry for rousing your early morning wrath...

[Trix]

you rock at poker.
that one session is probably more hands than ive played the last two months.

[Gatts]

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it's greedy talk. Surely it's impossible to truly manipulate this number?

sorry for rousing your early morning wrath...

[/ QUOTE ]

You're talking about such a trivial number.

[CountDuckula]

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You should also be routinely raising KQs, KJs, AJs, ATs, KTs, QJs, TT, 99 and JTs, in no particular order.

Depending on the circumstances, AJo, KQo are also raises, even in multiway pots.

[/ QUOTE ]

Heh.... Just last night, I raised in MP with JTs on Pokernow (Party skin). Scared a few players out, and ended up HU with a guy with AA. The flop had given me an OESD and a flush draw, which I pressed hard, and I hit my straight on the river (it was obviously the nuts). After the showdown, the guy typed, "u raise with JTs?!" I simply replied, "Sometimes. /images/graemlins/smile.gif", and the guy came back with, "u really threw me off, I thought you had KK or something". I didn't bother to say anything else, and let him think I was a fishy maniac.... /images/graemlins/smile.gif

-Mike

[Sarge85]

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My play from the SB is one of the weaker parts of my game. I play any two suited plus any cards I'd normally play from outside the blinds, except I don't typically raise unless I've got real strength.

I also tend to play a lot of Ax from the SB, which I'm not sure is a good play or not, even for cheap.

[/ QUOTE ]

Any two suited is usually fine, as long as there wasn't a raise.

Axo muck if you wouldn't play it from MP, Axs see above comment.


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I don't typically raise unless I've got real strength.

[/ QUOTE ]

Don't undervalue big suited cards, or suited connectors, or ATs and higher. - with lots of limpers - a raise can be a good thing. NOTE - you should have solid Post Flop skills if you want to raise these hands PF.

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[Quercus]

It should be noted that my play has changed dramatically since I first posted this thread. Which is good - it probably means I am learning something /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Meraxes]

At 18k hands my W$WSF is sitting at just about 30%, but that's all .50/1 and 1/2. I imagine that number would be more difficult to maintain at higher stakes.