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obex
09-05-2004, 01:47 PM
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (8 handed)

saw flop|<font color="C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP1 (t1540)
MP2 (t1860)
<font color="C00000">CO (t1640)</font>
Button (t1075)
SB (t715)
<font color="C00000">BB (t1535)</font>
UTG (t725)
<font color="C00000">Hero (t910)</font>

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG folds, <font color="CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds, <font color="CC3333">CO raises to t250</font>, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t200, <font color="CC3333">

Hero... (please explain your answer if you feel that there is a clear 'right' answer here.

durron597
09-05-2004, 02:20 PM
I voted push. There are enough chips in the middle that I would want to take this pot down right now if I can, since I am relatively shortstacked. Also I would like to take this hand HU as well, so that you have the best chance of winning the hand.

The only way I would not push is if I felt that the CO's miniraise almost certainly meant AA or KK.

The4thFilm
09-05-2004, 02:44 PM
Minraise at partypoker screams AA/KK. Be careful.

Grivan
09-05-2004, 03:41 PM
If it is AA or KK and you call what are you going to do on the flop? Are you willing to give up a quarter of your stack 2/3rds of the time? And if it is AA and you hit you lose your whole stack anyways. You need to push here you cannot be affraid of monsters.

willperkins
09-05-2004, 04:02 PM
I push and try to get the c/o "heads up". There is already t650 in the pot and I have t760 left by the time it gets back to me. I realize I'm taking a chance the c/o could have AA or KK but the odds are against that. I'm thinking that it is more likely QQ or AK. I'll take my chances with a split pot or coin flip if I can get BB to fold by pushing.

reecelights
09-06-2004, 02:08 AM
I agree with the idea that at Party this screams AA or KK. The odds are not in favor of it in a vacuum. But that's not what's in my head when I see this. I see this as giving you a raise that's hard NOT to call. I almost voted fold because of the frequency at which I see this.

The only reason I call is to see how they play the flop. I do, however see the logic of pushing. If you're going to be scared of an A or K that flops, you should either push or fold preflop. But, if rags flop and he bets big, ou can get away still holding more than 10xBB.

obex
09-06-2004, 09:35 AM
Well I pushed. I was more afraid of the BB who cold-called 2 raisers then the CO. Both of them called. Sure enough CO had QQ, and BB had AA. CO won with a Q on the flop to make a boat.

This hand got me thinking. The odds that one of the 2 opponents had me dominated (AA or KK) I think were pretty darn high given their plays (and the fact that this was a $109 STT and you don't see as much maniac plays here). Granted if you win you're sitting pretty but I would put the odds of winning at less than 40% and I think I have a better chance of finishing ITM with a fold here, in retrospect.